chef4131 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 I understand a rookie season does not a career make but Bills moved up in round 2 to pick Zay. JuJu went late second round and Cooper Kupp early in round 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Hard to evaluate wrs when you have tyrod [hardly]throwing you the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Hard to evaluate wrs when you have tyrod [hardly]throwing you the ball So your theory is that he's been demoted because of Tyrod? Lame excuse and blame shifting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaz Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Hard to evaluate wrs when you have tyrod [hardly]throwing you the ball Enough said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Hard to evaluate wrs when you have tyrod [hardly]throwing you the ball He has one of the lowest catch percentages ever and pff has him ranked last of all of the eligible WR. Thompson and Benjamin are so much better than Zay. I don’t want to be a hypocrite because I loved the pick but he has been awful. He can’t get open and can’t catch. I’m not ready to give up on him but he’s been terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Rough rookie season but to evaluate him and say he will be this or that is pretty fruitless at this stage of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 I did want Kupp... And Zay has had stone hands in the NFL. But I'm hoping it's just rookie jitters or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: So your theory is that he's been demoted because of Tyrod? Lame excuse and blame shifting. No not making an excuse for Zay but when your comparing him to other wrs who clearly have a better qb throwing him the ball, it's hard to compare. Zay has had some bad hands this year for sure.. But look at goodwin this year compared to playing with tyrod etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Just now, Mrbojanglezs said: No not making an excuse for Zay but when your comparing him to other wrs who clearly have a better qb throwing him the ball, it's hard to compare. Zay has had some bad hands this year for sure.. But look at goodwin this year compared to playing with tyrod etc... Deonte Thompson sure seems to have no problem catching passes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: So your theory is that he's been demoted because of Tyrod? Lame excuse and blame shifting. That is fair and he's been bad, no doubt. But how many WRs look good with Tyrod? The NFL is filled with ex Bills WRs playing big roles on other teams. i think it all came down to confidence with Zay and he lost it. I also know it doesn't help your confidence when you get 1 or 2 accurate balls thrown your way all game. Tyrod has some strengths but he does not elevate his WRs. 18 minutes ago, chef4131 said: I understand a rookie season does not a career make but Bills moved up in round 2 to pick Zay. JuJu went late second round and Cooper Kupp early in round 3. I LOVED Juju. He's a stud. But those guys have 1 and 2 WRs who help them get open. You aren't getting as open with Jordan Matthews as your 1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Deonte Thompson sure seems to have no problem catching passes. Absolutely about 2 a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: No not making an excuse for Zay but when your comparing him to other wrs who clearly have a better qb throwing him the ball, it's hard to compare. Zay has had some bad hands this year for sure.. But look at goodwin this year compared to playing with tyrod etc... Tyrod is a factor, but you're forgetting to account for Kyle Shanahan's offense as opposed to Hackett's Roman's, and Dennison's. Edited December 26, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 (edited) To all the Tyrod apologists in this thread I'm not blaming tyrod for his bad hands although I'm sure at least a few were because of bad throws I blame tyrod for bad stats (yards, catches) etc for all wrs especially when your comparing these stats against his peers on other teams Edited December 26, 2017 by Mrbojanglezs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 if you have Tom Brady throwing you the ball then even Chris Hogan looks like a pro bowler. if you have Tyrod throwing you the ball then good luck. in the NFL you never get wide open so you need a QB that can fit it into those tiny windows when you do get a little separation. hard to evaluate a WR when you don't have a QB that can get them the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Just now, kdiggz said: if you have Tom Brady throwing you the ball then even Chris Hogan looks like a pro bowler. if you have Tyrod throwing you the ball then good luck. in the NFL you never get wide open so you need a QB that can fit it into those tiny windows when you do get a little separation. hard to evaluate a WR when you don't have a QB that can get them the ball. How did Watkins look in 2015? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 As for the drops, he seems to be getting out physicalled out there. he needs to hit the weight room in the offseason. it's a big step from a small college program to the NFL. he might not have been prepared physically for the challenge. hit the weights, become more physical, get a better QB and then lets see where he's at 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: How did Watkins look in 2015? I must have missed this great pro bowl season that Sammy Watkins never had. the 4th overall pick in the draft better make multiple pro bowls and yet here we are 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: How did Watkins look in 2015? You expected a rookie 2nd rounder (Jones) to look as good as a second-year Top 5 pick (Watkins)? Edited December 26, 2017 by Wayne Arnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, kdiggz said: As for the drops, he seems to be getting out physicalled out there. he needs to hit the weight room in the offseason. it's a big step from a small college program to the NFL. he might not have been prepared physically for the challenge. hit the weights, become more physical, get a better QB and then lets see where he's at I must have missed this great pro bowl season that Sammy Watkins never had. the 4th overall pick in the draft better make multiple pro bowls and yet here we are Nice way to not answer the question. 60 catches for 1047 yards with 9 TDs. Pretty lousy huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: How did Watkins look in 2015? Really good but those weren't precision type passes. There were a lot of just chuck it up and have Sammy come down with it, which is Tyrod's best pass. i posted it before but Chris Hogan had more YAC in 2016 than Sammy did in his last 2 years here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: You expected a rookie 2nd rounder (Jones) to look as good as a second-year Top 5 pick (Watkins)? No I expected him to catch the FN ball when it hits his hands and especially so with his reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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