Tatonka68 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Y? It's third and 12 and Tyrod falls back scrambles around ignoring the pleas of open receivers and throws to Tolbert for a meaningless 5 yard gain. That is Y. He sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 The team originally planned on moving in another direction (as they did with nearly every large contract negotiated recently) and Taylor's agent put out feelers to try to gauge the market assuming it happened. There was interest from roughly a quarter of the league ranging from starting on teams worse than the Bills for similar money (to his current contract) to more money to be #2 behind an aging vet on their way out. After that a few things happened. The OC we were hoping to hire went elsewhere and we hired Dennison, who had firsthand experience with Tyrod, and the QB market didn't turn out to be what the Bills expected. So they shifted to renegotiation with the plan of evaluating Tyrod on and off the field before committing to or jettisoning him, because he was the best they were going to do moving forward this year. Tyrod didn't want to give up a starting role and ultimately decided to stay with an offensive cast he was familiar with and an OC he had worked with previously and was comfortable with. There was no simple ultimatum presented based on salary or get cut. The two ends met at a number that kept things flexible with the cap (so the team could add talent) and allowed both parties to revisit soon. It was a calculated risk, but it is a situation Tyrod is used to being in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Che Check Check Down Tyrod. thats why. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbills Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 48 minutes ago, Mango said: I am about as progressive as they come, used to work with journeys end. My mom is a campaign manager, my sister works for the DNC and the UN. Im being told I don’t like him because I don’t like his style because of prejudice. It’s reallt catching me off guard. I just don’t engage. No mean to be nasty but, this is a product of the culture that party has created, you should reap what you sow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 People are idiots. I'm sorry, but it's just true. My Dad and I argued for 20 minutes after the game yesterday about how bad Peterman actually was and he kept pointing to the Offensive Line. We just had to say until next week and Happy Thanksgiving because it's this incredibly stupid and hypocritical hard-headed behavior that persists amongst so many people that they use an excuse like that for Peterman without realizing that that's exactly why Taylor needs to be our starting QB. Honestly it's just head-scratching the way people actually think if you argue that Taylor is a capable NFL starting QB you're somehow arguing that he's great. It's not "He's great!!!" or "He sucks!!!" folks! Reality is in the middle. It's that Taylor is a capable NFL starter. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't or can't upgrade. But it means we shouldn't be throwing games in order to watch a dumpster fire unfold. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: People are idiots. I'm sorry, but it's just true. My Dad and I argued for 20 minutes after the game yesterday about how bad Peterman actually was and he kept pointing to the Offensive Line. We just had to say until next week and Happy Thanksgiving because it's this incredibly stupid and hypocritical hard-headed behavior that persists amongst so many people that they use an excuse like that for Peterman without realizing that that's exactly why Taylor needs to be our starting QB. Honestly it's just head-scratching the way people actually think if you argue that Taylor is a capable NFL starting QB you're somehow arguing that he's great. It's not "He's great!!!" or "He sucks!!!" folks! Reality is in the middle. It's that Taylor is a capable NFL starter. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't or can't upgrade. But it means we shouldn't be throwing games in order to watch a dumpster fire unfold. Why not? If we're not going to the playoffs (we're not) then why bother winning any more games? To me, that's kind of stupid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) Starting Taylor Yesterday to lose by a few less points with a few less turnovers doesn't mean playing Peterman was throwing a game. Tyrods play forced the team to see if they had a better option as crazy as it seems. The team doesnt have the quality around him it would require to have a winning season. The jettisoning of players and changing of systems made it obvious that Taylor was going to be asked to sink or swim in a conventional pocket passer offense. It's an unmitigated disaster and one of the FOs own making. Throwing a game is a stretch by any definition. Edited November 20, 2017 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, T-Bomb said: That's the way I saw it, but ofc had no inside knowlegde. Are some ppl saying what the Bills did with Taylor was a racial injustice? Do we need a Rooney rule for black QB's? Tyrod is a more mobile version of Tebow with a decent deep ball. I don't get the racism - Tebow isn't even in the league with that skill set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Here we go again Teams want real QB's that is why!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 38 minutes ago, blacklabel said: And for cripes sake, Wade Phillips has been saying it for years, it's not difficult. You build your system around the skill sets of the players on the roster. You don't force a system onto players who don't reach their full potential inside it. I thought that stuff would stop once Rex left but now they're in an entirely new "process" which is starting to feel more and more like the same. This...this...1000000 times this. Parcells did this, too. The biggest reason you win is when you build a system around the roster's strengths. Remember when we tried forcing the WCO on Rob Johnson? As for TT being more motivated to improvise, push the ball, etc....this is the main reason I would have benched him. He became contained in the pocket and couldn't use his legs to escape. Thus, there was nowhere to go with the ball, except out of bounds or to eat it and take a sack. He has been careful to avoid turnovers, but almost too careful. His throws were behind the receivers numerous times, and he'd wait until the receiver would make his break *before* throwing the ball. All of these reasons were why I had no problem with the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chadwick Bay Chad Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I am not sure why the Buffalo fan base does not get it. It has been discussed a thousand times. Taylor is not a franchise QB period. I don't care about his completion percentage (Look up Jim Plunkett's - terrible but won 2 super bowls), TD to interception ratio. (This is because he won't throw a pass until someone is completely open), he cannot make the plays that a franchise QB can make. Our coach and GM have a plan and we need to be patient. People act like if we had Sammy and Dareus we would be super bowl bound. In three years we will be in the conference championship game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 21 minutes ago, Gugny said: Why not? If we're not going to the playoffs (we're not) then why bother winning any more games? To me, that's kind of stupid. If that's the way we're rolling, no problem. If McDermott's goal is to tank I think that's going to generally become clear if he starts Peterman. The problem is that sure didn't seem to be the goal as we started 5-2. What sure looked like a tank to start the season became the typical season we saw over the last 17 years. So sure, if our goal is to tank then I expect McDermott to start Peterman. But the problem is those vets in the locker room he'll have to answer to... especially guys like Lorax and Meatball he reportedly convinced to come back for one more season and a shot at the playoffs. So yeah, if his goal is to tank, you're right that it's no problem to start Peterman. But considering the fact that the guy on the bench would clearly be better than the starter on the field then this coach would have to basically just come out and say he's tanking. He screwed up the tank. If he wanted it, he should have started Peterman from game 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: If that's the way we're rolling, no problem. If McDermott's goal is to tank I think that's going to generally become clear if he starts Peterman. The problem is that sure didn't seem to be the goal as we started 5-2. What sure looked like a tank to start the season became the typical season we saw over the last 17 years. So sure, if our goal is to tank then I expect McDermott to start Peterman. But the problem is those vets in the locker room he'll have to answer to... especially guys like Lorax and Meatball he reportedly convinced to come back for one more season and a shot at the playoffs. So yeah, if his goal is to tank, you're right that it's no problem to start Peterman. But considering the fact that the guy on the bench would clearly be better than the starter on the field then this coach would have to basically just come out and say he's tanking. He screwed up the tank. If he wanted it, he should have started Peterman from game 1. The goal isn't to lose games. The goal is to evaluate Peterman. The tank doesn't happen on the field of on the sidelines. It happens in the front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 hours ago, SaviorPeterman said: Amazing the agenda that the MSM Sports outlets have pushing this as some sort of racial issue. Sad! This is great for TT and his agent though because with the media's help they are going to create a ridiculously false market for him in the offseason, maybe we'll be able to fleece another desperate team in a trade after all. yep i'm convinced those same people got the old bills forums closed, they totally hijacked that forums with the nonstop pro tt posts, wouldnt need people pushing his agenda so hard on the interwebs if his play on the field came up with wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 17 minutes ago, Gugny said: The goal isn't to lose games. The goal is to evaluate Peterman. The tank doesn't happen on the field of on the sidelines. It happens in the front office. Well good luck to McDermott explaining that to his vets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackington Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I love reading all these comments from posters who were clamoring for Peterman. Yeah, let's keep listening to what you all have to say. Get me a better qb than Taylor. Do it. But he is about average in this league and was top 10 in QBR the last two seasons and covered up a lot deficiencies on this team while also not being able to hold the entire team on his shoulders. It takes coaching to win with that. Except coaching (and Bills fans) got that Peterman game. So both were terrible. Worse than Taylor has ever been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2745084-nfl1000-week-11-notebook-why-doesnt-the-nfl-like-tyrod-taylor Did the original article say the NFL doesn't like TT because the piece you posted is strictly about the Bills distaste for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: Starting Taylor Yesterday to lose by a few less points with a few less turnovers doesn't mean playing Peterman was throwing a game. Tyrods play forced the team to see if they had a better option as crazy as it seems. The team doesnt have the quality around him it would require to have a winning season. The jettisoning of players and changing of systems made it obvious that Taylor was going to be asked to sink or swim in a conventional pocket passer offense. It's an unmitigated disaster and one of the FOs own making. Throwing a game is a stretch by any definition. The issue for McDermott and Beane is that if this losing continues this season and they end up, say, 6-10, they are going to be set up to be terrible next year. They won't have an experienced QB, they'll have an exceptionally thin roster, and they'll really struggle to attract good free agents. Moreover, my guess is that we'll be starting fresh with a new OC. They could end up being very bad, and if they are, those two should worry about their jobs. They've put themselves in a bad situation with the talent desert that is this team, and I don't see how you can draft your way out of it quickly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: He's also still learning to match his field reads with accurate throws. At this point in his career, Taylor needs receivers who can get separation from defenders. He's not an ideal tight-window thrower, especially to intermediate distances (think 8-15 yards downfield) Im gonna use this quote as to exactly why I think we dont have much faith in him. Tyrod would be fine.....if we had 21 Better players than him on that football field....but we dont and we need a QB to mask the holes. He can only mask some of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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