BuffaloRush Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) So former NFL scout Greg Gabriel who is also a Western, NY went off on WGR's Nate Geary who was defending Tyrod Taylor. Geary believes that Tyrod could be successul in a RPO offense, which makes sense. Gabriel says he's been scouting Taylor for years and he will never be a winning quarterback. Fortunately, he does think very highly of Peterman. Gabriel is very outspoken and is not always right, plus there may be a reason why he's currently not employed by an NFL team, but he brings up an interesting argument: Greg Gabriel @greggabe 7h7 hours ago How long will it take for Sean McDermott to figure out he can’t win with Tyrod Taylor? I think the time is near. Defenses know that if you keep Taylor in the pocket he can’t find an open receiver and throw w/accuracy Replying to @NateGearyWGR It’s been evident to me since preseason. Everything I said would happen has. Keep Tyrod in the pocket and make him throw is the easiest way to beat Buffalo. Peterman was brought up in a full field NFL system. He makes much quicker decisions. More Replying to @NateGearyWGR You are making excuses. Been studying this kid since he was in college. He isn’t and will never be a winning starter. He proves it every week. Sean should move on but he won’t until they are out of playoffs Replying to @NateGearyWGR Yes it will s fair. He is very limited and gets exposed by the minute. He’s no better than a backup in the league. Only playing no because they don’t have anyone better. That said I feel Peterman has way more upside. reg Gabriel @greggabe 24h24 hours ago More Replying to @NateGearyWGR C’Mon Nate. He would be close. Tyrod is a below avg starting QB. He struggles when kept in the pocket. He will never be a top winning QB Edited November 14, 2017 by BuffaloRush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Tyrod needs another two or three years. He’s basically still a rookie QB in this system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Why just the one way conversation in your post? 1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said: Tyrod needs another two or three years. He’s basically still a rookie QB in this system. No......nope....no 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 As soon as I saw this, I knew who it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 The Ravens wrote the book on Tyrod last season 11 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: So former NFL scout Greg Gabriel who is also a Western, NY went off on WGR's Nate Geary who was defending Tyrod Taylor. Geary believes that Tyrod could be successul in a RPO offense, which makes sense. Gabriel says he's been scouting Taylor for years and he will never be a winning quarterback. Fortunately, he does think very highly of Peterman. Gabriel is very outspoken and is not always right, plus there may be a reason why he's currently not employed by an NFL team, but he brings up an interesting argument: Greg Gabriel @greggabe 7h7 hours ago How long will it take for Sean McDermott to figure out he can’t win with Tyrod Taylor? I think the time is near. Defenses know that if you keep Taylor in the pocket he can’t find an open receiver and throw w/accuracy Replying to @NateGearyWGR It’s been evident to me since preseason. Everything I said would happen has. Keep Tyrod in the pocket and make him throw is the easiest way to beat Buffalo. Peterman was brought up in a full field NFL system. He makes much quicker decisions. More Replying to @NateGearyWGR You are making excuses. Been studying this kid since he was in college. He isn’t and will never be a winning starter. He proves it every week. Sean should move on but he won’t until they are out of playoffs Replying to @NateGearyWGR Yes it will s fair. He is very limited and gets exposed by the minute. He’s no better than a backup in the league. Only playing no because they don’t have anyone better. That said I feel Peterman has way more upside. reg Gabriel @greggabe 24h24 hours ago More Replying to @NateGearyWGR C’Mon Nate. He would be close. Tyrod is a below avg starting QB. He struggles when kept in the pocket. He will never be a top winning QB Thank you Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Everyone but the qbr nazi's already told us this 3 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Wonder if Schopp will have Gabriel on again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Everyone who wants Peterman to see the field (myself included) is on that train because we know what we have in Tyrod Taylor. And it's not good enough. For those who argue Taylor starts because coaches believe he gives the team the best chance to win, there was another QB in New England who rode the bench for over a year for the same reason. Bill Belichek thought Drew Bledsoe gave the team the best chance to win and then Mo Lewis proved him wrong. Nobody knows anything, give Peterman the reins, if he bombs, we're in position to draft high. If he succeeds, draft competition for him and thank our lucky stars. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Tyrod needs another two or three years. He’s basically still a rookie QB in this system. I really hope you're being sarcastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: As soon as I saw this, I knew who it was. Gabriel does come off as a know it all sometimes, yet there could be a reason why he's never held a position higher than scouting and there could be a reason why he's unemployed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 According to WGR he's a franchise QB and none of us what we are talking about with Peterman. This is Lossman vs Edwards all over again. I remember Edwards rookie year and in preseason JP Lossman was struggling big time couldn't read a defense to save his life and get the ball out of his hands, but everyone remembered how great his deep ball was just like Tyrod and how he could run great just like Tyrod. JP was the superior athlete he just had to learn the game better even though he had been in the league for years at that point. Edwards goes in and just takes what the defense gives him and starts running the offense and spreading the ball out all over the place and it was clear as day to me then and its clear as day to me now. For the system we are forcing Tyrod to be in there is no way he is going to succeed and we need a change of QB for a guy that has showed some promise and has a much higher ceiling then Tyrod as a prospect playing in this type of system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) Every objective person knows Tyrod is not good enough. You take away the run and he can’t beat you. It’s just the same thing every cycle of seasons. JP, Trent, Fitz, EJ, Tyrod etc. It just goes on and on and on. There are people on each of their bandwagons that are in to deep to turn around and who will go down with the ship. It’s obvious he’s not good enough. 90% of the people here and out there get it. The 10% that are still hanging on, will ride it down until the ship sinks. We all get it. It’s time to move on. Unfortunately it doesn’t matter what we all think. Tyrod is going to play and because of it, we are going to miss the playoffs again. It’s a shame because the league is doing all it can do to help us end the drought. It’s to bad we can’t take advantage for a change. It’s there if we want it this year but.......you know, “Bills” Edited November 14, 2017 by Brianmoorman4jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Rocbillsfan1 said: According to WGR he's a franchise QB and none of us what we are talking about with Peterman. This is Lossman vs Edwards all over again. I remember Edwards rookie year and in preseason JP Lossman was struggling big time couldn't read a defense to save his life and get the ball out of his hands, but everyone remembered how great his deep ball was just like Tyrod and how he could run great just like Tyrod. JP was the superior athlete he just had to learn the game better even though he had been in the league for years at that point. Edwards goes in and just takes what the defense gives him and starts running the offense and spreading the ball out all over the place and it was clear as day to me then and its clear as day to me now. For the system we are forcing Tyrod to be in there is no way he is going to succeed and we need a change of QB for a guy that has showed some promise and has a much higher ceiling then Tyrod as a prospect playing in this type of system. The catch is in your comment about Edwards...once everyone realized that he would simply take what the defense gave him, they only gave him 1 yard outs to unathletic TE's and FB's. Peterman's first three throws were like that - take what is given. Fortunately, he made more plays after that which weren't "givens." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 “Longtime TBD poster” is shocked at this breaking news. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, dulles said: The catch is in your comment about Edwards...once everyone realized that he would simply take what the defense gave him, they only gave him 1 yard outs to unathletic TE's and FB's. Peterman's first three throws were like that - take what is given. Fortunately, he made more plays after that which weren't "givens." Edwards if you remember correctly had his flaws especially after that Arizona game where he was knocked out. He was never the same after that, but he was more successful than JP Lossman was. I'm not saying Peterman is a franchise guy either, but it's clear he's already got more of a feel for running this offense than Tyrod does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Gabriel does come off as a know it all sometimes, yet there could be a reason why he's never held a position higher than scouting and there could be a reason why he's unemployed. He was at the Director Level in scouting. He was not just some field scout....he worked his way up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Rocbillsfan1 said: Edwards if you remember correctly had his flaws especially after that Arizona game where he was knocked out. He was never the same after that, but he was more successful than JP Lossman was. I'm not saying Peterman is a franchise guy either, but it's clear he's already got more of a feel for running this offense than Tyrod does. I would agree with you on those points...I am just a "slow change at QB" kinda guy. You can't go Hue Jackson on the starting QB situation without getting into trouble in a hurry. I do like Peterman's apparent command of the offense. I heard that he had been working on 2-minute offense during the week. Evidently he audibled at the line. He threw some dangerous passes. He threw guys open. There was a lot to like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Everybody always says it was the cardinals knock out that ruined Trent. It wasn’t. If you look, then next week he played one of his best games ever. It was the following game against Cleveland that he got picked off like 3 times real early on Monday night. He took shots and got picked. After that he was scared to death to throw it down field. THATS what ruined him. Not the hit IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: He was at the Director Level in scouting. He was not just some field scout....he worked his way up. Yes but he never rose outside of scouting to a GM or Assistant GM like most of the good scouts do. Also, why is he unemployed now and why hasn't he worked for years. Just saying, he shares some very strong opinions on guys like Tyrod, yet he can't find a job? Not saying he isn't credible, just pointing out the obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 15 minutes ago, Air it out Fitzy said: Everyone but the qbr nazi's already told us this 3 years ago. Says the guy with Fitzpatrick as part of his TBD name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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