Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 I'm not a subscriber to PFF but they have graded Ducasse much higher than Miller this season. Ducasse at 73.8 and Miller at 39.1. Maybe the coaches have the same grades. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/john-miller/9514 https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/vladimir-ducasse/5586 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 I'm not a subscriber to PFF but they have graded Ducasse much higher than Miller this season. Ducasse at 73.8 and Miller at 39.1. Maybe the coaches have the same grades. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/john-miller/9514 https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/vladimir-ducasse/5586 Vlad's 'high quality' on both run and pass blocking??? That tells me all I need to know about PFF... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) I'm not a subscriber to PFF but they have graded Ducasse much higher than Miller this season. Ducasse at 73.8 and Miller at 39.1. Maybe the coaches have the same grades. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/john-miller/9514 https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/vladimir-ducasse/5586 Or maybe Vlad is threatening to bite the coach? Or perhaps Vlad already bit Castillo and Castillo is serving as Vlad's henchman? He is a descendant of this guy: Edited October 18, 2017 by PolishDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Putin has taken over PFF in order to defend his favorite NFL player..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Wow PFF, wow... https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/197085-rg-john-miller-out/page-6?do=findComment&comment=4597289 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 Wow PFF, wow... https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/197085-rg-john-miller-out/page-6?do=findComment&comment=4597289 To be fair, there were 70 snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Is Groy allowed to compete for RG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 To be fair, there were 70 snaps. yeah, how many of them did you watch? He was terrible because he is terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Is Groy allowed to compete for RG?No backup Center is really,really important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 Again, I didn't spend time watching him on every play but Joe B did. Miller is the worst player on the team so far according to him. Ducasse graded a C+ for the Bengals game. http://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-buffalo-bills-all-22-review-vs-cincinnati-bengals-10_12_17- 1) DE Jerry Hughes - 3.67 (1) 2) S Micah Hyde - 3.48 (3) 3) DT Kyle Williams - 3.29 (2) 4) DE Shaq Lawson - 3.25 (4) 5) CB TreDavious White - 3.22 (5) 6) S Jordan Poyer - 3.17 (6) 7) DE Eddie Yarbrough - 3.07 (7) 8) CB E.J. Gaines - 3.06 (9) 9) SLB Lorenzo Alexander - 3.06 (8) 10) RB LeSean McCoy - 3.04 (10) 11) WR Jordan Matthews - 3.03 (11) 12) TE Charles Clay - 2.98 (13) 13) LG Richie Incognito - 2.85 (12) 14) WR Andre Holmes - 2.80 (16) 15) FB Patrick DiMarco - 2.79 (15) 16) QB Tyrod Taylor - 2.70 (14) 17) RB Mike Tolbert - 2.70 (18) 18) TE Nick OLeary - 2.68 (19) 19) C Eric Wood - 2.67 (24) 20) DE Ryan Davis - 2.67 (21) 21) WLB Ramon Humber - 2.66 (22) 22) MLB Preston Brown - 2.60 (20) 23) DT Marcell Dareus - 2.59 (25) 24) DT Cedric Thornton - 2.57 (26) 25) DT Adolphus Washington - 2.56 (23) 26) LT Dion Dawkins - 2.55 (17) 27) WR Zay Jones - 2.49 (27) 28) NCB Leonard Johnson - 2.30 (28) 29) CB Shareece Wright - 2.22 (NR) 30) RT Jordan Mills - 1.93 (30) 31) RG John Miller - 1.87 (31) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Vlad's 'high quality' on both run and pass blocking??? That tells me all I need to know about PFF... Vlad is a baller. Dude can move mountains.LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Again, I didn't spend time watching him on every play but Joe B did. Miller is the worst player on the team so far according to him. Ducasse graded a C+ for the Bengals game. http://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-buffalo-bills-all-22-review-vs-cincinnati-bengals-10_12_17- 1) DE Jerry Hughes - 3.67 (1) 2) S Micah Hyde - 3.48 (3) 3) DT Kyle Williams - 3.29 (2) 4) DE Shaq Lawson - 3.25 (4) 5) CB TreDavious White - 3.22 (5) 6) S Jordan Poyer - 3.17 (6) 7) DE Eddie Yarbrough - 3.07 (7) 8) CB E.J. Gaines - 3.06 (9) 9) SLB Lorenzo Alexander - 3.06 (8) 10) RB LeSean McCoy - 3.04 (10) 11) WR Jordan Matthews - 3.03 (11) 12) TE Charles Clay - 2.98 (13) 13) LG Richie Incognito - 2.85 (12) 14) WR Andre Holmes - 2.80 (16) 15) FB Patrick DiMarco - 2.79 (15) 16) QB Tyrod Taylor - 2.70 (14) 17) RB Mike Tolbert - 2.70 (18) 18) TE Nick OLeary - 2.68 (19) 19) C Eric Wood - 2.67 (24) 20) DE Ryan Davis - 2.67 (21) 21) WLB Ramon Humber - 2.66 (22) 22) MLB Preston Brown - 2.60 (20) 23) DT Marcell Dareus - 2.59 (25) 24) DT Cedric Thornton - 2.57 (26) 25) DT Adolphus Washington - 2.56 (23) 26) LT Dion Dawkins - 2.55 (17) 27) WR Zay Jones - 2.49 (27) 28) NCB Leonard Johnson - 2.30 (28) 29) CB Shareece Wright - 2.22 (NR) 30) RT Jordan Mills - 1.93 (30) 31) RG John Miller - 1.87 (31) By the looks of this, we should be replacing Preston Brown next season as well as adding 1 or 2 DTs. The rest of the D is performing great. Top 9 players are on D. Offense needs lots. RG close to the top of the list. QB, WR,WR, WR, WR, WR as well as eventual replacements for shady, clay, Ritchie and wood. Good thing we have lots of picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalostu2 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Again, I didn't spend time watching him on every play but Joe B did. Miller is the worst player on the team so far according to him. Ducasse graded a C+ for the Bengals game. http://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-buffalo-bills-all-22-review-vs-cincinnati-bengals-10_12_17- 1) DE Jerry Hughes - 3.67 (1) 2) S Micah Hyde - 3.48 (3) 3) DT Kyle Williams - 3.29 (2) 4) DE Shaq Lawson - 3.25 (4) 5) CB TreDavious White - 3.22 (5) 6) S Jordan Poyer - 3.17 (6) 7) DE Eddie Yarbrough - 3.07 (7) 8) CB E.J. Gaines - 3.06 (9) 9) SLB Lorenzo Alexander - 3.06 (8) 10) RB LeSean McCoy - 3.04 (10) 11) WR Jordan Matthews - 3.03 (11) 12) TE Charles Clay - 2.98 (13) 13) LG Richie Incognito - 2.85 (12) 14) WR Andre Holmes - 2.80 (16) 15) FB Patrick DiMarco - 2.79 (15) 16) QB Tyrod Taylor - 2.70 (14) 17) RB Mike Tolbert - 2.70 (18) 18) TE Nick OLeary - 2.68 (19) 19) C Eric Wood - 2.67 (24) 20) DE Ryan Davis - 2.67 (21) 21) WLB Ramon Humber - 2.66 (22) 22) MLB Preston Brown - 2.60 (20) 23) DT Marcell Dareus - 2.59 (25) 24) DT Cedric Thornton - 2.57 (26) 25) DT Adolphus Washington - 2.56 (23) 26) LT Dion Dawkins - 2.55 (17) 27) WR Zay Jones - 2.49 (27) 28) NCB Leonard Johnson - 2.30 (28) 29) CB Shareece Wright - 2.22 (NR) 30) RT Jordan Mills - 1.93 (30) 31) RG John Miller - 1.87 (31) How can we possibly accept these grades when he doesn't know what the players responsibility is on each play? What are his qualifications? Watching the Bills? Don't we have that covered? I don't want to be a hypocrite, I listen to Joe B for updates but I would not make personnel moves based on his grades or PFFs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 I'm not a subscriber to PFF but they have graded Ducasse much higher than Miller this season. Ducasse at 73.8 and Miller at 39.1. Maybe the coaches have the same grades. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/john-miller/9514 https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/vladimir-ducasse/5586 But the eyeball test!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) How can we possibly accept these grades when he doesn't know what the players responsibility is on each play? What are his qualifications? Watching the Bills? Don't we have that covered? I don't want to be a hypocrite, I listen to Joe B for updates but I would not make personnel moves based on his grades or PFFs. Umm, how can we possibly accept anything other than the coach's opinion then. I assume he focused on every play, something few do. So Joe B would be a better source then anyone that didn't. Edited October 18, 2017 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 No backup Center is really,really important. All positions are important. Its important to have 5 competent guys out there. really really important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 How can we possibly accept these grades when he doesn't know what the players responsibility is on each play? What are his qualifications? Watching the Bills? Don't we have that covered? I don't want to be a hypocrite, I listen to Joe B for updates but I would not make personnel moves based on his grades or PFFs. This is valid. But Joe B's low grade on Miller kind of matches up with PFF's low grade on Miller. Two very different sources presumably using different methodology came up with the same conclusion: Miller's not playing well. It's concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 There is probably a better practice squad player out there that would improve on Miller. Beane's crew needs to locate him. I think Miller is running out of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) I'm not a subscriber to PFF but they have graded Ducasse much higher than Miller this season. Ducasse at 73.8 and Miller at 39.1. Maybe the coaches have the same grades. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/john-miller/9514 https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/vladimir-ducasse/5586 That's about par for the course with PFF's judgement of OLers ... I think their algorithm for rating OLers has a few logic errors. They once rated All Pro Jason Peters as "the worst LT in the league" when he was a Bill. I guess that's why the Bills traded him to Philly where he's only made All Pro a couple more times despite a serious Achilles injury a few years ago. Edited October 19, 2017 by SoTier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) soooo we keep on hatin' Vlad, but all signs point to Miller being worse. keep it up guys. Edited October 19, 2017 by dickleyjones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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