Nick the Greek Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 People complain that McBeane isn't signing enough free agents. I don't get it. Do people actually believe there is starting talent just laying around, waiting for a call? This is insane! All the good players are already signed. Free agency ended months ago. Get over it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) People complain that McBeane isn't signing enough free agents. I don't get it. Do people actually believe there is starting talent just laying around, waiting for a call? This is insane! All the good players are already signed. Free agency ended months ago. Get over it! Oh Yeah you are right. We also believe that if there is an opportunity to acquire talent Beane is not the person to get it for your organization. He is good at giving away talent Edited October 12, 2017 by liverpoolkev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 So you want to give away KC's #1 this week for someone who may not work out at all or get hurt immediately? Then bring Whaley back. I can't speak for eliteqb, but I suspect (s)he was thinking more along the lines of when Whaley brought in Marques Gray and Thigpen before the Packer game in 2014 and they had an immediate impact. Wether you like Whaley or not, he did have a knack for finding diamonds in the rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Oh Yeah you are right. We also believe that if there is an opportunity to acquire talent Beane is not the person to get it for your organization. He is good at giving away talent Would you buy new tires for your car if you didn't have an engine for it, yet? Why would Beane spend money on FA WRs, RBs, or anyone else if he doesn't even have his QB of the future yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I'll start. Tre'daveous White is a candidate for defensive rookie of the year and potential All-Pro. Now be quiet. Really I'm sure AJ Green would agree..... Keep talking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Really I'm sure AJ Green would agree..... Keep talking One play. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Would you buy new tires for your car if you didn't have an engine for it, yet? Why would Beane spend money on FA WRs, RBs, or anyone else if he doesn't even have his QB of the future yet? Your engine is functional, but has some issues that need addressing and you have 2 flat tires. What do you fix first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Your engine is functional, but has some issues that need addressing and you have 2 flat tires. What do you fix first? The engine's issues are beyond repair. It's had the same issues for 7 years and there's no hope of fixing them. I replace the engine, then address the tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 One play. Brilliant. still waiting ..... Thought you were going to Zay who they they traded two picks to move up for or maybe Dawkins who they traded two picks to get in front of Carolina ....... nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 still waiting ..... Thought you were going to Zay who they they traded two picks to move up for or maybe Dawkins who they traded two picks to get in front of Carolina ....... nice He's been the GM for one draft. Give it 2-3 years; not 2-3 months. This team was not supposed to be good this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) That's part of what makes a great defense, great. Or perhaps you don't want to see it continue. Yes that must be it. I want to see them fail. http://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2014/10/how-random-are-turnovers/ So after a few hundred words of statistics, we arrive at a whopping conclusion that just over half of seasonal turnover differential is due to luck. That’s huge, especially when you consider that (from earlier) seasonal turnover differential explains over 40% of seasonal winning percentage. At first glance, this does seem very high to me but evidence for this magnitude is the extraordinary year-to-year variability in turnover differential, which you would expect if luck was a mega factor as my analysis suggests. While starting quarterbacks absolutely play a role in turnover differential (Tom Brady throws fewer picks than Chad Henne) and tend to be fairly constant from year-to-year, nevertheless the correlation between turnover differential last year and this year is only 0.086 which is not significant at the 5% level. Ultimately in a 16-game season, there’s just a whole lot of luck involved with winning football games and for all that commentators will talk about defensive schemes forcing turnovers this season, it’s just as important to be lucky as to be good. Edited October 12, 2017 by Wayne Arnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Is there any sanity left on this poor planet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 He's been the GM for one draft. Give it 2-3 years; not 2-3 months. This team was not supposed to be good this season. did they give Chip Kelly 3 yrs while he destroyed the eagles ,Thanks for Shady by the way, . I seen the play before thank goodness for Leslie Frasiar and his defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Really I'm sure AJ Green would agree..... Keep talking White will be defensive rookie of the year. A pass Orr two against a great WR happens. Just proves your football ignorance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Is there really any proof that intentional losing has ever helped any team? It's been pretty well documented that having the #1 overall pick doesn't guarantee a better player than say the #8 guy in any given draft. And that's not even getting into the discussion of whether or not the team as a whole actually gets better. The NFL is a totally different animal than the NBA or even the NHL.The NFL IS a totally different animal because theres no draft lottery and tanking is guaranteed to get you a higher draft pick. But youre right in that a higher pick doesnt necessarily guarantee you a better pick. I.e. Steeler seem to draft #1 receivers and backs at the bottom of the picks every year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Manager Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 The engine's issues are beyond repair. It's had the same issues for 7 years and there's no hope of fixing them. I replace the engine, then address the tires. I wouldn't drive this car on the interstate. Farm use only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 FAKE WINS. DISHONEST LEAGUE. SAD. Good Trump reference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 The correct term is Stealth Tank coined by Jeremy White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 They put on a good front saying they are "trying to wn now AND trying to win for the future" but is that REALLY accurate? I don't think it is... Look at what has happened in the week+ since Matthews and Clay have gone down for significant lengths of time basically turning our "average" offense with them into a disaster without them. 5 straight games with under 300 yards of total offense...we might set an NFL modern day record for that as I don't see how we get above that anytime soon without those players and people stacking the box. And yet McBeane has been silent on the waiver wire/FA/trade front. This team has the chance to make the playoffs THIS YEAR but yet they will do nothing to bolster our chances. And I find that to be maddening. It's one thing if the team wasn't that good and you just let things go...it's another thing entirely when you have wins over 2 top 5 teams in the league and the defense is good enough if the offense can just literally DO ANYTHING productive. I think he owes it to those guys busting their @sses on the field AND to the fanbase who is tired of this bullcrap over the last 17 years to actually DO SOMETHING to try and help this team now. I am not talking about trading a high pick for a guy necessarily, but if there is the opportunity to get a guy AND he fits in the budget/long term plans of the team WHY NOT do it? You don't HAVE TO only get players through the draft...there is the opportunity to make moves that can help the team both now and in the future that don't involve simply drafting well. It's just so frustrating to see McBeane "fiddling" while the offense burns around us and nothing is done to try and fix it...another wasted season when the team was good enough to make the playoffs with a little help...so frustrating...I know the plan is to start in earnest next year with all the draft capital and likely new QB of the future, but still... They aren't coming out and saying it, but you can hear it when McDermott talks about the "silver lining" being that a bunch of rookies got in there...they know they are hoping to keep losing players and be forced to play untested rookies/backups and then they have the excuse "well, we had a lot of injuries and don't have the depth yet to overcome them", but if they would just go find the depth, we COULD overcome them...but they don't want them to...kind of like in Major Leagues when the owner was secretly rooting for the team to lose so he could move them...the McBrothers are secretly hoping for the injury bug to keep hitting so they can keep slipping further and further down the standings while having nothing come back on them that we were actively "tanking" while having to play a bunch of untested depth players on the roster. best bull crap thread of the bye week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 No, I don't believe so. I think they are trying to win with what they have today but also trying to build a system for the future. I would like to see more adjustments to the system to fit the personnel, but apparently they have faith that the system is most important. I am encouraged that they are moving away from the zone blocking scheme and hope they continue to make adjustments like this as needed. Isn't every team trying to win and build for the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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