yungmack Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 @ the Chargers, Nov.19. Do it then. Ill be there! Quick edit: I was at The Murph when Flutie took over too. Playoffs....guaranteed! So was I. And they lost. My then 7 year old grandson was sobbing, "The Bills always lose." Boy, was he prescient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 I'm wondering how much longer the D is going to be showing up if they keep getting nothing from the O and QB position? Just like in years past they'll start to fade soon because a lot of what they are doing right now too is smoke and mirrors (i.e. give up tons of yards, tighten up in redzone and create turnovers when possible). And trust me when it happens things will get real ugly and a lot of blowouts will be coming especially with the Chiefs, Pats x2 ,etc on the back end of the schedule. But honestly if any of these veterans are serious about trying to win games going forward I guarantee they are also lobbying for a QB change behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) That's hogwash. Dareus has the biggest contract on the Bills and has the least amount of per game snaps on defense. Believe some BS scenario you dreamed up in your head if you want to but coaches will put in the best player. They have a job to keep and they aren't going to hinder their team over who had a bigger contract. If the coaches feel Peterman gives them a better chance to win then they will put him in regardless of contracts. It's that simple. I don't agree. I think since Tyrod is getting paid bigger money he gets the position by default, QB position is different then DL. MD has plenty of issues and is on his last leg but still can be rotated in unlike with QB that if your the starter you play the entire game no rotations. With Tyrod they will conitnue to make excuses like they did with Fitz because with a QB it's easier to spread the excuses around. They think Tyrods veteran experience will bail him out, sadly he isn't playing like a veteran starter but a veteran backup. A HC has to have the balls to make the change and so far nothing but excuses and another game with Tyrod as the starter, just like the good old Chan days. McD likes to talk about how he is different how they will play who performs, sadly with Tyrod he is just like all the other HCs of years past. QB position is different, live or die by the QB. Sadly we might lose our OC over pushing that square peg. Just my opinion on it. Edited October 9, 2017 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I watch a lot of football both pro and college, not just the Bills. I also have various contacts in the scouting world from previous work I did years ago working in the Pac 10. And while some of them don't necessarily believe Taylor is terrible and the Bills can do worse (we have), the consensus is that he's a finished product who has glaring flaws that are exposed when he's asked to pass the football more than 20 times a game regardless of the talent around him. In other words he's a solid back up and extreme game manager and that's why he was drafted where he was and rode the bench in Baltimore. And that's exactly what myself and many other fans and media see as well. These same folks also believe that this is Taylor's last season in Buffalo anyway which is why it doesn't make sense to stick with him the entire season if Peterman might be able to provide a spark and change things up. Sure Peterman might not be the answer either but we know 100% Taylor isn't and that's the bottom line. Based on your previous posts, please forgive me if I doubt the veracity of your self-proclaimed bona fides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderGun Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) It's very simple. If you have any desire to see Peterman succeed in the NFL, you definitely do no want him on the field with this offense as it currently stands. Forget "game breaking play makers", we currently don't even have a possession receiver to simply move the chains, let alone a big play threat. Why would you want to throw a rookie QB to the wolves with zero weapons? Shady isn't really the home threat he was last year, idk if he is still adjusting to the zone blocking, but the rook won't even have a reliable ground game to fall back on, or a safety net at TE... Anybody blaming Taylor seriously just has a vendetta against the man, and that's between you and him. But the current deficiencies on offense absolutely do NOT fall on Taylor's shoulders... He missed one big throw yesterday, and yes it COULD have been the difference in the game (Logan Thomas for a TD), but A-it was a difficult throw off his back foot without being set due to pressure and B- Even Matt Ryan missed throws last week so, it's just a part of the game. Taylor is not the problem, he never has been. Everybody wants Rodgers, or Brady, but even those GOATS are surrounded by some elite talent. Even Fitz had Stevie Johnson in his prime and a sound running game. The only group of WR that MIGHT be worse than the current Buffalo Bills is the Giants, and thats because FOUR were hurt in one game, and if they even just get Marshall and Sheppard back, they are still light years ahead of what we have to deal with here in Buffalo. Starting to think this is a case of "Major League" where the team wasn't suppose to be winning right now, and has surpassed everybody's expectations, but given the GROSS lack of depth, I think the fun is over. With the amount of touches Shady gets, its only a matter of time until he gets at least a little banged up and misses some time... at which point our lead back will be Mike Tolbert- The incredibly poor man's Jerome Bettis (if you are to be optimistic about it.). Point is, Peterman would be a disaster right now, not just in the W/L column, but for his best interests in his long term development. I'm all about getting young QBs on the field sooner, rather than later, but not if they are CLEARLY being set up to fail and have ZERO legitimate weapons in the passing game. Taylor has been set up to fail, and he was doing what any good QB would do in his shoes- Game managing a group of misfits to a winning record, and not committing turnovers... The same thing this Alex Smith guy has been doing for years. They blew 2 firsts on a rookie QB they obviously did not need, all Smith, like Taylor, needed was a supporting cast of dynamic players - Hunt, Hill and Kelce. Where are Taylor's? Shady, and......... There is NO Quarterback that would put up big passing numbers with the current group of skill players this team has... NONE, including Rodgers & Brady. The current "#1 WR" LITERALLY can not hold on to the football, and the #2 WR everybody was clamoring to be cut in training camp so we could grab an extra, late 3rd rounder. Then we have essentially a couple returners in Tate and Kaelin Clay. Taylor was using his ONLY weapon for as long as the guy's knee would stay together. But sure, maybe Nate Peterman is the answer. Edited October 9, 2017 by ThunderGun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Just like in years past they'll start to fade soon because a lot of what they are doing right now too is smoke and mirrors (i.e. give up tons of yards, tighten up in redzone and create turnovers when possible). And trust me when it happens things will get real ugly and a lot of blowouts will be coming especially with the Chiefs, Pats x2 ,etc on the back end of the schedule. But honestly if any of these veterans are serious about trying to win games going forward I guarantee they are also lobbying for a QB change behind the scenes. I know it's not a popular opinion, but I think the best long term interest for the Bills is to keep starting Taylor... 1. Peterman is simply not set up for success because of the injury situation. You just don't do that to a rookie QB. 2. Taylor starting is the surest way to get the highest pick possible in the 2018 draft. 3. Peterman can start when they get Clay and Matthews back, and Zay Jones has settled in and has become a real threat at WR. 4. Anyone still holding onto Taylor being a viable long term option is lost. Edited October 9, 2017 by 1billsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I don't agree. I think since Tyrod is getting paid bigger money he gets the position by default, QB position is different then DL. MD has plenty of issues and is on his last leg but still can be rotated in unlike with QB that if your the starter you play the entire game no rotations. With Tyrod they will conitnue to make excuses like they did with Fitz because with a QB it's easier to spread the excuses around. They think Tyrods veteran experience will bail him out, sadly he isn't playing like a veteran starter but a veteran backup. A HC has to have the balls to make the change and so far nothing but excuses and another game with Tyrod as the starter, just like the good old Chan days. McD likes to talk about how he is different how they will play who performs, sadly with Tyrod he is just like all the other HCs of years past. QB position is different, live or die by the QB. Sadly we might lose our OC over pushing that square peg. Just my opinion on it. Nice post man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I know it's not a popular opinion, but I think the best long term interest for the Bills is to keep starting Taylor... 1. Peterman is simply not set up for success because of the injury situation. You just don't do that to a rookie QB. 2. Taylor starting is the surest way to get the highest pick possible in the 2018 draft. 3. Peterman can start when they get Clay and Matthews back, and Zay Jones has settled in and has become a real threat at WR. 4. Anyone still holding onto Taylor being a viable long term option is lost. Points two and three make no sense at all. No one I have seen thinks point four is the case. Peterman only starts if the Bills fall out of contention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 @JoeBuscaglia #Bills HC Sean McDermott says he has all the confidence in the world in Tyrod Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 @JoeBuscaglia #Bills HC Sean McDermott says he has all the confidence in the world in Tyrod Taylor. He would probably say the same thing about Ducasse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Arent the Jets tied with NE also. Not a really terrible place to be. As if on cue.....😵 Edited October 9, 2017 by Buffalo Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 He would probably say the same thing about Ducasse Not what he said at all. @JoeBuscaglia #Bills HC Sean McDermott when asked of potential OL changes, said we'll see. Said there needs to be reflection by coaches during the bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Tyrod is the bridge to the next QB. Both the coaching staff and FO have to know this. Now is not the time to put in Peterman with no talent at the skill positions. You are setting him up for failure before he can even get started. Tyrod should be the starter unless he gets injured or the season is over and the playoffs is out of reach. If the coaching staff feels like Peterman is ready then you put him in and get some film on tape for next year. Also, if you start Peterman coming out of the bye the veterans on this team will know that you are throwing up the white flag on this season. Veterans on this team still support Tyrod and know he gives them the best chance to win. It would be like when Losman came in and was named the starter without earning it. The team didn't respect the decision and he could never recover and win their respect. Peterman needs to keep preparing and be ready when his chance comes in the event Tyrod gets hurt similar to what Brady did when Bledsoe got hurt. He got his chance and never gave starter job back. Edited October 9, 2017 by billieve420 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Bears are playing tonight with a rookie QB on Monday night football. Worse WR's Worse O-line Worse overall offensive talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Not what he said at all. @JoeBuscaglia #Bills HC Sean McDermott when asked of potential OL changes, said we'll see. Said there needs to be reflection by coaches during the bye Could this mean I wont have to see Ducasse play another snap for us again? Please let it be so 🙏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Bears are playing tonight with a rookie QB on Monday night football. Worse WR's Worse O-line Worse overall offensive talent Tyrod Taylor > Mike Glennon and Mitch Trubisky > Nathan Peterman Bills at 3-2 > Bears at 1-3 Edited October 9, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I don't go to the kid til we're out of it. Team still believes in Tyrod, and as long as you're in it he's probably the guy.When we Win games , ( this is what we always hear ) the defense played Great / ST 2 long field goals, TT not a great game But did not turn the ball over and made ENOUGH plays for us to win, In over 2 years how many games did he actually played WELL and was the REASON we won ? Like the Seattle game I know we lost that game but he played Well , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 You're not getting your wish dude. It could easily get worse. We've got a +15 point differential. We're in every single game. Like it or not, a big part of that is the fact that we aren't turning the ball over. That matters a lot more than some apparently realize. Teams like the Cardinals and Giants are losing essentially because they're QBs are giving games away. Pittsburgh did it yesterday. That's not a statement from me that Taylor is better than any of those quarterbacks. It is me saying that we clearly have a certain approach to winning football games. Mcdermott pretty much has it set in stone and it involves the Defense carrying the football team with a game manager at QB. And we are winning. I would say try enjoying the ride, but given your username that clearly won't happen at all ever. Peterman very likely will never be the Buffalo Bills starting QB and almost certainly not our Franchise QB. See you when you change your username. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderGun Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Bears are playing tonight with a rookie QB on Monday night football. Worse WR's Worse O-line Worse overall offensive talent And so did David Carr and Blaine Gabbert.... How did those guys turn out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Bears are playing tonight with a rookie QB on Monday night football. Worse WR's Worse O-line Worse overall offensive talent Worse WRs!?!?! WTF?!?! This is an idiotic post. Kendall Wright & Deonte Thompson (319 career catches prior to 2017) >>>>>>> Kaelin Clay & Zay Jones (ZERO career receptions prior to 2017) I get that you're probably just a Troll, but this post is pitiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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