Magox Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Another one with an agenda. Ridiculous. You have just as much of an "agenda" as he does. There are about 10 serial bashers and TT homers on this board and you both advance your POV's with the same vigor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 Objectively: facts do suggest TT is elite in three areas (i) running the ball, (ii) leadership and work ethic, and (ii) not turning it over. Given these three clear, strong positives can't he still be considered a "quality QB" if a couple of his other passing categories are not quite as great as other "quality" NFL QBs? Â I for one think so - TT is not a conventional QB and is difficult to measure by conventional standards. But he has stabilized the position for us. I think part of the reason the fan base is so divided on him is the fact that he is not conventional -- exciting to some, an erratic "halfback at QB" to others. I am looking forward to seeing how he does the rest of this year and will root for him and reserve judgment until it is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Objectively: facts do suggest TT is elite in three areas (i) running the ball, (ii) leadership and work ethic, and (ii) not turning it over. Given these three clear, strong positives can't he still be considered a "quality QB" if a couple of his other passing categories are not quite as great as other "quality" NFL QBs?    The answer is:  It's quite possible.  Just depends if he  A) continues to do these things well  B) shows improvement in his weaknesses  C) he leads a team to the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Objectively: facts do suggest TT is elite in three areas (i) running the ball, (ii) leadership and work ethic, and (ii) not turning it over. Given these three clear, strong positives can't he still be considered a "quality QB" if a couple of his other passing categories are not quite as great as other "quality" NFL QBs? Â I for one think so - TT is not a conventional QB and is difficult to measure by conventional standards. But he has stabilized the position for us. I think part of the reason the fan base is so divided on him is the fact that he is not conventional -- exciting to some, an erratic "halfback at QB" to others. I am looking forward to seeing how he does the rest of this year and will root for him and reserve judgment until it is over. Very good summary of the situation. One concern I would have about committing to Tyrod is, what is his game going to look like when he gets older and banged up and loses some of his mobility and elusiveness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Is this meant to imply that Taylor's QBR is deceiving and that he actually sucks? Â Â Â J/K Just pointing out that there is no perfect stat when it comes to QBs. They all seem to have flaws and you can make numbers tell whatever story you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Don't tell me what to do!  Tyrod has never been to the playoffs as a starter, btw. While what you say is true...I am trying to figure out what that even means  he has only been a starter for one team.....he qbd a team that was top 10 in offense....the defense was grossly bad  Not the D is good...lets see if the offense (which is a new one for everyone) improves over the course of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 While what you say is true...I am trying to figure out what that even means  he has only been a starter for one team.....he qbd a team that was top 10 in offense....the defense was grossly bad  Not the D is good...lets see if the offense (which is a new one for everyone) improves over the course of the season Sounds just like Drew Brees.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 While what you say is true...I am trying to figure out what that even means    It means that Taylor has a Super Bowl ring that doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) Â Â Â It means that Taylor has a Super Bowl ring that doesn't count. The backup QB is the most important player on the team of a Super Bowl winner. Edited September 30, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Sounds just like Drew Brees.... So maybe the problem of not making the playoffs don't all fall on Taylor which is what some want to claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 So maybe the problem of not making the playoffs don't all fall on Taylor which is what some want to claim. As a TT supporter  It does not directly fall on tyrod tayler....but at some point you have to ask a starting qb to take a team and put them on their back for a much needed win.  If that qb cannot do that? Then you need to continue your qb search......  Now.....tyrod has had a opportunity to do that one time this year and was actually on his way to doing it when zay dropped that pass....we really should be undefeated right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 As a TT supporter  It does not directly fall on tyrod tayler....but at some point you have to ask a starting qb to take a team and put them on their back for a much needed win.  If that qb cannot do that? Then you need to continue your qb search......  Now.....tyrod has had a opportunity to do that one time this year and was actually on his way to doing it when zay dropped that pass....we really should be undefeated right now Of course. I'm not saying we don't need a better QB. I'm fully on board with drafting one. I just think Taylor criticism is overboard when the team had bigger problems.  Taylor did carry this offense last week and he still gets criticized because he didn't get 300 yards for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Another one with an agenda. Ridiculous. Yes. A hateful hater of hate with an agendaized agenda. Begone hateful hater of hate or I shall cast down the mods against thee you evildoer you!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 The answer is:  It's quite possible.  Just depends if he  A) continues to do these things well  B) shows improvement in his weaknesses  C) he leads a team to the playoffs  Another plus is Taylor's bad games are never completely horrible. Compared to Dalton's first game or Carr vs Washington, TT's worst never hits rock bottom. Even during the Carolina debacle, he kept plugging away and was efficiently inefficient (or inefficiently efficient). Taylor never loses his poise or lets things spiral out of control. The problem? There are way too many of those inefficient games. That's where I see his objective this year : Pare down those games to a bare minimum per season, then you get a lot of Jets-Broncos games, with an occasional Miami. And that would be a pretty damn good quarterbacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 The backup QB is the most important player on the team of a Super Bowl winner.The backup quarterback is a fairly important position on any team. There ain't a lot of them. If one injury kills your whole season that makes the backup gig important by definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 The backup quarterback is a fairly important position on any team. There ain't a lot of them. If one injury kills your whole season that makes the backup gig important by definition. Good thing Flacco didn't get injured and instead threw 12 TD's to no picks in the playoffs. Â His play in the postseason was arguably the most important reason they made it to and won the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Good thing Flacco didn't get injured and instead threw 12 TD's to no picks in the playoffs. His play in the postseason was arguably the most important reason they made it to and won the Super Bowl. So what. That doesn't negate the fact backup QB is an important position. I and a lot of others here have been saying that for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 So what. That doesn't negate the fact backup QB is an important position. I and a lot of others here have been saying that for years. There are degrees of importance. That was my point. Backup QB's who don't play are without a doubt the most important backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Just pointing out that there is no perfect stat when it comes to QBs. They all seem to have flaws and you can make numbers tell whatever story you want. You're not going to find many, if any, stats that paint an accurate reflection with 1 data point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 You're not going to find many, if any, stats that paint an accurate reflection with 1 data point... Unless it's Geno Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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