Bocephuz Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-week-2-surprise-takeaway-the-broncos-run-defense This was a great article from Pro Football Focus breaking down the unconventional way Denver attacked the Dallas run game. Convention tells you that the defensive guys on the outside need to "set the edge" and funnel everything inside. This writeup shows that the Broncos pretty much abandoned setting the edge and rather had their outside guys immediately shoot the gap to disrupt the RB in the backfield. They also stacked the box a lot as they felt their corners could handled Dallas' deep game. I would expect much of the same against the Bills this Sunday. The question is .. How do we counter this? I have some ideas.. but I'd like to hear other's first. What do you all think.. how do we counter this kind of Run D strategy? Edited September 21, 2017 by Bocephuz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Pray. Pray alot. We dont match up anywhere aginst this defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Tough matchup for us. And our D is a tough matchup for them. The Bills have to hit some quick slants and stuff to open things up some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Isn't it obvious? We run sweeps with Tolbert, just like we did against the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 One way to counter Edge crashing Have two legit RBs on the field. And run both inside and outside runs. Another is the Zone Read Another is swing and screens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Let Tyrod air it out. Bombs away baby. Bombs away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 One way to counter Edge crashing Have two legit RBs on the field. And run both inside and outside runs. Another is the Zone Read Another is swing and screens Agree with bold, and would add misdirection and draw plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Let Tyrod air it out. Bombs away baby. Bombs away. On a serious note ... why not? I keep hearing this: we don't have receivers who can stretch the field. I call BS. It's not like they're slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocephuz Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 Zone Read seems pretty obvious to me we already Zone Block we have arguably the fastest QB in the league .. who has experience running these plays If the end crashes down inside, then you pull it and pick up what you can out in the wide open space between where the end used to be, and the corner or safety. If you're an athletic quarterback, that's a lot of green to swim in and make people miss. if the end doesn't crash inside then hand of to Shady or Tolbert up the gut All it will take is for Taylor to make the right read and burn them once and I'll bet they'd move to a more conventional scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills-fan in arizona Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Come out in a spread... seriously, our O is too predictable. We can't try to go to a traditional running attack - we will get manhandled... again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocephuz Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 One way to counter Edge crashing Have two legit RBs on the field. And run both inside and outside runs. Another is the Zone Read Another is swing and screens good call on all fronts Have two legit RBs on the field. And run both inside and outside runs. line up under center.. fake to Tolbert and pitch outside to Shady or vice versaAnother is the Zone Read TT is built for this. Why put a round peg in a square hole. Not saying they need to go zone read all the time but Dennison needs to strategically use it early and often. Another is swing and screens yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 On a serious note ... why not? I keep hearing this: we don't have receivers who can stretch the field. I call BS. It's not like they're slow. No reason to think Matthews, Jones, and Holmes are unable to run down field. Are they Tyreek Hill, Marquise Goodwin, and JJ Nelson? No, but they still have enough giddy-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Misdirection. Play action bootlegs, draws, cutbacks (shady's specialty), screens. Still, I am worried about this one. We don't seem to have the "edge" anywhere. And the 3 point line, well, I don't know what to make of it. Seems like an odd line but apparently vegas has faith in our defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-week-2-surprise-takeaway-the-broncos-run-defense This was a great article from Pro Football Focus breaking down the unconventional way Denver attacked the Dallas run game. Convention tells you that the defensive guys on the outside need to "set the edge" and funnel everything inside. This writeup shows that the Broncos pretty much abandoned setting the edge and rather had their outside guys immediately shoot the gap to disrupt the RB in the backfield. They also stacked the box a lot as they felt their corners could handled Dallas' deep game. I would expect much of the same against the Bills this Sunday. The question is .. How do we counter this? I have some ideas.. but I'd like to hear other's first. What do you all think.. how do we counter this kind of Run D strategy? screens and misdirections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocephuz Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 Misdirection. Play action bootlegs, draws, cutbacks (shady's specialty), screens. Still, I am worried about this one. We don't seem to have the "edge" anywhere. And the 3 point line, well, I don't know what to make of it. Seems like an odd line but apparently vegas has faith in our defense. I'm worried too.. I doubt we can win this one. That being said.. I would like to see the offense at least have a decent showing .. something they can build on to get some momentum for the rest of the season Dennison showing that he's flexible and that he is willing to adjust on the fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Play action will not work. Nor will shotgun formations work as well as under the center. I would like to think screens are the easy route and want Clay involved. Let them key on McCoy running decoy on the opposite side and dump to Clay on the opposite side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I'm worried too.. I doubt we can win this one. That being said.. I would like to see the offense at least have a decent showing .. something they can build on to get some momentum for the rest of the season Dennison showing that he's flexible and that he is willing to adjust on the fly. Yeah, decent offense would be nice. If Shady is able to rip off a couple decent runs, it could change the complexion of the game, and he is probably our only chance. Taylor's arm isn't going to do it, but his legs might help. I have serious questions about dennison now, after seeing some of the same head scratching bs we have seen for years. Like stretch plays with an 85 year old, 350 pound rb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Zone Read seems pretty obvious to me we already Zone Block we have arguably the fastest QB in the league .. who has experience running these plays If the end crashes down inside, then you pull it and pick up what you can out in the wide open space between where the end used to be, and the corner or safety. If you're an athletic quarterback, that's a lot of green to swim in and make people miss. if the end doesn't crash inside then hand of to Shady or Tolbert up the gut All it will take is for Taylor to make the right read and burn them once and I'll bet they'd move to a more conventional scheme. I don't think Denver's linebackers are as fast as Carolina's so this plan does sound solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Plenty of good ways to attack this: Zone read and spread formation have been mentioned, but '12' personnel sets are key as well--adding a TE to each end of the line keeps the EDGE defenders from being able to crash down along the line. Spacing in the blocking game is going to be key--need to make sure there are multiple gaps for Shady to pick on the stretch plays. I would also be looking to trap the living heck out of their 5-tech ends. Call a Power-G trap play or two early on and make Wolff/Gotsis think twice about knifing the B-gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocephuz Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 Plenty of good ways to attack this: Zone read and spread formation have been mentioned, but '12' personnel sets are key as well--adding a TE to each end of the line keeps the EDGE defenders from being able to crash down along the line. Spacing in the blocking game is going to be key--need to make sure there are multiple gaps for Shady to pick on the stretch plays. I would also be looking to trap the living heck out of their 5-tech ends. Call a Power-G trap play or two early on and make Wolff/Gotsis think twice about knifing the B-gap. good idea on the trap.. punch em in the mouth with an o lineman when they stick that head in the gap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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