Bills Pimpin' Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) Someone please enlighten me on where they think the talent from last year's team is better than this year's. Other than WR, if Sammy was healthy last year, it's hard to argue a position group this year isn't as good or better than last and we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds next year. QB's much better due to backups RB/FB equal. Could potentially argue Mike G and Felton are better than Williams/Tolbert I guess. OL equal TE equal WR worse if Sammy healthy, but Zay may be great DL better LB better Safety better and not even close. CB equal, but I am not a big Gilmore fan. Coaching better. Can anyone argue a position group is better this year? Edited August 21, 2017 by Bills Pimpin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Defense looks much better. The offense we don't know with the OL in flux (Ducasse at RG?, Glenn injury), an all new WR corps with no deep threat, injury issues, and no depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurna Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Can anyone argue a position group is better this year? The position of your nose is closer to the Bills' butt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Pass pro has looked horrid. Run game will be there, but, even The Tyrod haters have to cut him some slack with how bad the OLine looked. Defense looks like it'll be solid, I would be surprised with top 10-15 finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Worse: RB OL - I believe the scheme switch will have an impact. WR CB Offensive coaching Better: DL LB Defensive coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Someone please enlighten me on where they think the talent from last year's team is better than this year's. Other than WR, if Sammy was healthy last year, it's hard to argue a position group this year isn't as good or better than last and we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds next year. QB's much better due to backups RB/FB equal. Could potentially argue Mike G and Felton are better than Williams/Tolbert I guess. OL equal TE equal WR worse if Sammy healthy, but Zay may be great DL better LB better Safety better and not even close. CB equal, but I am not a big Gilmore fan. Coaching better. Can anyone argue a position group is better this year? Well, you could argue that QB/RB/OL/DL are the same as last year. You could even argue that the D line is "better" because Dareus isn't suspended (yet). But we lost our best 2 WRs and replaced them with a second round rookie and a 37 year old who averaged 8.7/catch last year ... before he retired. We lost our best LB (and it wasn't even close), and our best 2 CBs and replaced them with a rookie (who knows?) and a guy who hasn't played effectively for a couple years. So ... yeah, the personnel this year is worse. And it's not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 Worse: RB OL - I believe the scheme switch will have an impact. WR CB Offensive coaching Better: DL LB Defensive coaching CB could be but vast safety improvement will make up for it and back end will be better overall IMO. I will take Dennison over A Lynn as OC in the long run. Glenn has to be healthy, but if he is, the addition of Dawkins will make it equal I think. Well, you could argue that QB/RB/OL/DL are the same as last year. You could even argue that the D line is "better" because Dareus isn't suspended (yet). But we lost our best 2 WRs and replaced them with a second round rookie and a 37 year old who averaged 8.7/catch last year ... before he retired. We lost our best LB (and it wasn't even close), and our best 2 CBs and replaced them with a rookie (who knows?) and a guy who hasn't played effectively for a couple years. So ... yeah, the personnel this year is worse. And it's not even close. Well if Zach Brown, whom I assume you are referring to, is your star game changing LB and you think Robert Woods is better than Jordan Matthews (which of course you didnt mention)than I guess you are right it's not close. Sammy will always be a wildcard cause of injury. Also, i will take my chances with a back end with real safeties and without two man to man corners that got burned 2 times a game. One which got benched by the end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Coaching? As bad as Rex was, the current coaching staff needs to prove they are better than a lousy Rex on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 QB -same RB- same OL- same (bad at pass blocking, good at run blocking) TE- same DL- Improved (IMO the scheme change and Shaq Lawson healthy will improve our entire defense) LB- same (Gerald Hodges for Zach Brown to me is a wash) S - Improved (Micah Hyde/ Jordan Poyer are upgrades for sure) CB- Significant downgrade, I think in time White/Gaines will be a solid combo but as of now they are a significant downgrade to what we had recently imo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Someone please enlighten me on where they think the talent from last year's team is better than this year's. Other than WR, if Sammy was healthy last year, it's hard to argue a position group this year isn't as good or better than last and we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds next year. QB's much better due to backups RB/FB equal. Could potentially argue Mike G and Felton are better than Williams/Tolbert I guess. OL equal TE equal WR worse if Sammy healthy, but Zay may be great DL better LB better Safety better and not even close. CB equal, but I am not a big Gilmore fan. Coaching better. Can anyone argue a position group is better this year? Scheme fit: Defense we think is better Offense dunno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 I wonder why half the board is screaming tank when it seems like the talent is within the realm of last year and we have gained so many draft picks? I guess the unproven potential of Sammy Watkins has those folks blinded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 If only Kouandjio hadn't lost his pants, the OL would be ok. This is why young people should wear belts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) I wonder why half the board is screaming tank when it seems like the talent is within the realm of last year and we have gained so many draft picks? I guess the unproven potential of Sammy Watkins has those folks blinded.i do not like the trade. That said, I also don't see any type of "tank" - even partial. The Bills know that the WR they got in return for Watkins has a lower ceiling and a different style, but I think they actually prefer him. Clearly, I don't, but I think they do. I don't dislike Matthews per se, actually I loved him coming out of college and do think he's a good pro. But as a Bills fan I just I really liked Watkins because he was ... fun to watch and a great talent. Imo the Bills know Matthews doesn't have the same "potential" as Watkins, and that the team isn't better now that he's gone. However, I think they believe the team will win the same number of games either way. And that's why they did it - they like Matthews, AND they get a 2nd round pick. And the win total won't be affected. I believe that was their decision making. On topic with the thread, I think the team is better overall than last year, all things considered. Injuries always will play a role, it's very hard to predict how their season will go. Edited August 21, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 i do not like the trade. That said, I also don't see any type of "tank" - even partial. The Bills know that the WR they got in return for Watkins has a lower ceiling and a different style, but I think they actually prefer him. Clearly, I don't, but I think they do. I don't dislike Matthews per se, actually I loved him coming out of college and do think he's a good pro. But as a Bills fan I just I really liked Watkins because he was ... fun to watch and a great talent. Imo the Bills know Matthews doesn't have the same "potential" as Watkins, and that the team isn't better now that he's gone. However, I think they believe the team will win the same number of games either way. And that's why they did it - they like Matthews, AND they get a 2nd round pick. And the win total won't be affected. I believe that was their decision making. On topic with the thread, I think the team is better overall than last year, all things considered. Injuries always will play a role, it's very hard to predict how their season will go. I agree except I do like the trade(s) for the reasons you mentioned. I don't believe SWs would have the career year he needed with the Bills to justify a big contract. That said, he leaves for a team willing to pay for his potential. At least we got serviceable replacements and great picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) I agree except I do like the trade(s) for the reasons you mentioned. I don't believe SWs would have the career year he needed with the Bills to justify a big contract. That said, he leaves for a team willing to pay for his potential. At least we got serviceable replacements and great picks. i think that (and maybe other Bills fans are the same way) the reason I have a hard time with it is that there has been only so much to be excited about with the team because they don't win. So we latch on to anything exciting or good about the team, even if the wins aren't there. A deep ball chemistry to Sammy. A #1 rushing offense. A sack record. A DROY candidate. None of it means anything, or leads to wins, but it makes us happy. We might overlook that the #1 rushing attack contributed to a most unbalanced offense in the league in terms of production, etc. When it's ripped away, we feel left with nothing because we assume the wins won't be there either because they haven't been in so. long. But, we don't know that yet for the future. We only know what an organization, which is now completely different top to bottom, had done in the past. So that's the difference between just collecting an assortment of individual talent, and actually, finally, building a team. The latter hasn't worked, we will see what this regime brings. Edited August 21, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathcliff Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 If only Kouandjio hadn't lost his pants, the OL would be ok. This is why young people should wear belts. So true and to funny in many ways. Kudos my friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Pass pro has looked horrid. Run game will be there, but, even The Tyrod haters have to cut him some slack with how bad the OLine looked. Defense looks like it'll be solid, I would be surprised with top 10-15 finish. Yeah, pass protection was a total mess. Hopefully, Glenn will be back and ready, Dawkins will pick up speed fast and displace Mills, and this Ducasse experiment ends fast (and for depth at the tackles, hopefully Henderson is better when back at the more natural right tackle position -- but have to admit he has had two absolutely brutal pre-season games). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Someone please enlighten me on where they think the talent from last year's team is better than this year's. Other than WR, if Sammy was healthy last year, it's hard to argue a position group this year isn't as good or better than last and we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds next year. QB's much better due to backups RB/FB equal. Could potentially argue Mike G and Felton are better than Williams/Tolbert I guess. OL equal TE equal WR worse if Sammy healthy, but Zay may be great DL better LB better Safety better and not even close. CB equal, but I am not a big Gilmore fan. Coaching better. Can anyone argue a position group is better this year? CB equal? We lost our 1 and 2 CBs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) The Bills are one of the worst teams in the league right now. We've got major problems at QB, major problems at WR, an OL that doesn't seem to fit the new scheme, linebackers who don't cover well, hardly any experience at CB, and a lack of depth across the field. The only place the Bills are better is at the Safety spots. This is going to be a really bad season for the Bills. I think we're looking at a top 5 pick. Edited August 21, 2017 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 This will be one of the worst offenses in the league, get ready. It's going to be like the years when the Sabres would have to try and win 1-0 or 2-1. Brace yourself for near unwatchable football as they try and scrape and claw to 6 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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