Alphadawg7 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I see a lot of people celebrating the Sammy trade. I don't care what anyones personal opinion is on Sammy, when he has been healthy he has produced in the top 10 of WRs. He's 4th in the NFL since entering the league in YPC despite starting his career with EJ/Orton fiasco, and then catching passes from a QB the you same people say can't throw. So my question is, if Sammy is past the injuries and firmly establishes himself as one of the best WR's in football (which he has shown himself to be in his healthy stretches), are you still going to be praising this move? You see, I have seen this story before...everyone celebrating a move and the decision makers that made it happen...then as soon as it doesn't goes as planned, the same people flip flop and say how stupid it was as if they were always against it and start demanding blood form the FO. Sadly, with Sammy, his only real issue was his lingering foot injury. The thing people MISS big time on that injury, is that it is difficult and timely to fully recover from because there is not much you can do along the way, it just takes a lot of time. Sammy and the medical staff pressed too early last year and aggravated it again and there was nothing to be done other than wait it out. However, with this injury it is almost always stronger once it heals than it was before it was hurt in the first place and is not a career lingering scenario. I can't predict if Sammy will stay healthy, but given his RARE talent level and the fact the foot injury seems to be behind him, I think we got very little back based on what he has the potential to be in the NFL. We downgraded to get a 2nd round pick in next years draft. And considering a bunch of people want to cut our recent 2nd round pick before he has played a single snap in the NFL in Ragland, I don't see how that future 2nd is very exciting given Sammy's potential to be special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 If Sammy becomes one of the top recievers in the game and we become a playoff team I'd be happy. The outcome of this trade all depends on what we get from the 2018 draft. If it improves our team, it was a success. If we continue to linger in mediocrity then it is a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 A few things here. On some level, if you're a fan, then you have no choice than to celebrate it because it's done and over. I look at it from a betting man's perspective. Based on the last 3 years, would you bet on him being healthy and finishing with a pro-bowl season or a sub-par season because of injury or Tyrod's play? If it's the latter, you get absolutely no value from him and maybe keep him on a "prove it deal". So, if you get a 2nd rounder in advance of that more likely scenario, it's a big win. If he breaks out like you think he could, then yes it sucks. It's all a gamble and you just need to have faith in the regime changes or you will be miserable for at least the next 3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) Absolutely will, especially if we walk away from next April's draft with a franchise QB. Now, OP, answer me this....... Speaking of praising moves, did you praise the trade Whaley made to get Sammy in the first place? Yes or no, I'd like to hear your reasoning. Edited August 12, 2017 by Binghamton Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I see a lot of people celebrating the Sammy trade. I don't care what anyones personal opinion is on Sammy, when he has been healthy he has produced in the top 10 of WRs. He's 4th in the NFL since entering the league in YPC despite starting his career with EJ/Orton fiasco, and then catching passes from a QB the you same people say can't throw. So my question is, if Sammy is past the injuries and firmly establishes himself as one of the best WR's in football (which he has shown himself to be in his healthy stretches), are you still going to be praising this move? You see, I have seen this story before...everyone celebrating a move and the decision makers that made it happen...then as soon as it doesn't goes as planned, the same people flip flop and say how stupid it was as if they were always against it and start demanding blood form the FO. Sadly, with Sammy, his only real issue was his lingering foot injury. The thing people MISS big time on that injury, is that it is difficult and timely to fully recover from because there is not much you can do along the way, it just takes a lot of time. Sammy and the medical staff pressed too early last year and aggravated it again and there was nothing to be done other than wait it out. However, with this injury it is almost always stronger once it heals than it was before it was hurt in the first place and is not a career lingering scenario. I can't predict if Sammy will stay healthy, but given his RARE talent level and the fact the foot injury seems to be behind him, I think we got very little back based on what he has the potential to be in the NFL. We downgraded to get a 2nd round pick in next years draft. And considering a bunch of people want to cut our recent 2nd round pick before he has played a single snap in the NFL in Ragland, I don't see how that future 2nd is very exciting given Sammy's potential to be special. There was zero chance he was signing here. As soon as the 5th year was dropped, it was over. Terrible draft mistake by Whaley and now it's officially over. What if that extra 2nd is the difference in getting a qb....nobody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 12, 2017 Author Share Posted August 12, 2017 Absolutely will, especially if we walk away from next April's draft with a franchise QB. Now, OP, answer me this....... Speaking of praising moves, did you praise the trade Whaley made to get Sammy in the first place? Yes or no, I'd like to hear your reasoning. 1. We did NOT need to make this trade to get a franchise QB prospect next year, its unrelated. We already had 2 firsts, plus our own 2nd and 3rds...MORE than enough ammo to pull off a big trade if we needed to. 2. I will absolutely answer it...look at my avatar...I put that on draft night. I loved the Sammy trade at the time. First, we had EJ, who while unspectacular as a rookie, also was not too bad either. He looked like a promising young prospect, and we had literally no weapons for the kid. So after bringing in a young QB, we really needed playmakers on this team desperately. We made a trade to get a 4th back, so all it cost us was the next years first and for a talent as rare as him, I was all for it. Going further, the trade proved to be a valid value based on TALENT. Yes, Sammy had a disappointing 2 year stretch battling his foot injury and a rib injury from a big hit, but once healthy he was one of the most productive WR's in the NFL and is 4th in the NFL since entering the league in YPC. And considering you feel we need a franchise QB, you clearly are not a fan of TT, so that just further sings Watkins praises that he was able to produce at such a high level in a run first offense and a QB you don't think much of in TT, and his first year was in a PATHETIC offense and QB combo of Orton and EJ. So what do you think Watkins is gonna do as a healthy WR catching passes from a capable passing QB? And with the ammo we have next year, if TT falters, we could have added that big arm QB without having to trade Sammy and would have had an Elite WR for that young QB to grow with. There was zero chance he was signing here. As soon as the 5th year was dropped, it was over. Terrible draft mistake by Whaley and now it's officially over. What if that extra 2nd is the difference in getting a qb....nobody knows One, thats a false statement. We could have tagged or franchised him and potentially kept him or got more for him. And we already had 2 firsts, a 2nd, and 2 thirds next year...we had MORE than enough ammo to get a QB if we need one without having to trade Sammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) I HATE this trade. It made me nauseous. I've moved on. It's done. Crying and moaning won't get Sammy back. As Bills fans, we just have to pray that McBeane can nail next years draft and the rest going forward. The trade is done. Sammy is gone. It's a sad day for many, but the McBeane train stops for no one. This post isn't directed at you alpha. I just wanted to leave my peace somewhere on the board. Not in the mood to read through all these threads. Can't imagine some of the ridiculousness that's probably been spewed. Edited August 12, 2017 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Beane and McD will be judged on two outcomes occurring simultaneously...the future of the Bills compared to Sammy's career. If the Bills, within the next two years, become a perennial playoff team, then whatever Sammy does will become irrelevant in the big picture. If the Bills continue to flounder, however, and Sammy's career takes off, it won't be pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 So my question is, if Sammy is past the injuries and firmly establishes himself as one of the best WR's in football (which he has shown himself to be in his healthy stretches), are you still going to be praising this move? If Sammy turns out to be a consistent stud and we don't end up getting a franchise QB or at the very least have a phenomenal draft next year then yes I will concede this point. But let me ask you a question, if Sammy is hampered with injuries and has another 65 catch 1000 yard season with 8 T.D's and the Bills end up drafting lights out or getting a Franchise QB, will you not concede that it was a good trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 12, 2017 Author Share Posted August 12, 2017 I HATE this trade. It made me nauseous. I've moved on. It's done. Crying and moaning won't get Sammy back. As Bills fans, we just have to pray that McBeane can nail next years draft and the rest going forward. The trade is done. Sammy is gone. It's a sad day for many, but the McBeane train stops for no one. I really like the new regime, but like you, I hate this trade. One saving grace is that I live in LA at the beach just down the road from the new stadium. And the Rams were my team as a young boy, so kind of become my 2nd team here so at least I get to cheer and root for him on the my next favorite team. That being said, how pissed off is Robert Woods right now? He went there to compete to potentially be a #1 and at the very least #2...suddenly today, he is #3 on depth chart fighting Austin for the #2 spot. He is actually in a worse spot than he was in Buffalo with Sammy because we had no one like Austin here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I see a lot of people celebrating the Sammy trade. I don't care what anyones personal opinion is on Sammy, when he has been healthy he has produced in the top 10 of WRs. Really? Over the period 2014-2016, Watkins ranks: Receptions: 38th Yards: 28th TDs: 23rd YPG: 24th Catch %: 83rd YPT: 19th YPC: 5th So he's a nice player, but kinda hard to see how that coalesces into a top 10 WRs. Unless of course you cherry pick one stat and fail to mention any of the others.....like you're doing repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1. We did NOT need to make this trade to get a franchise QB prospect next year, its unrelated. We already had 2 firsts, plus our own 2nd and 3rds...MORE than enough ammo to pull off a big trade if we needed to. 2. I will absolutely answer it...look at my avatar...I put that on draft night. I loved the Sammy trade at the time. First, we had EJ, who while unspectacular as a rookie, also was not too bad either. He looked like a promising young prospect, and we had literally no weapons for the kid. So after bringing in a young QB, we really needed playmakers on this team desperately. We made a trade to get a 4th back, so all it cost us was the next years first and for a talent as rare as him, I was all for it. Going further, the trade proved to be a valid value based on TALENT. Yes, Sammy had a disappointing 2 year stretch battling his foot injury and a rib injury from a big hit, but once healthy he was one of the most productive WR's in the NFL and is 4th in the NFL since entering the league in YPC. And considering you feel we need a franchise QB, you clearly are not a fan of TT, so that just further sings Watkins praises that he was able to produce at such a high level in a run first offense and a QB you don't think much of in TT, and his first year was in a PATHETIC offense and QB combo of Orton and EJ. So what do you think Watkins is gonna do as a healthy WR catching passes from a capable passing QB? And with the ammo we have next year, if TT falters, we could have added that big arm QB without having to trade Sammy and would have had an Elite WR for that young QB to grow with. One, thats a false statement. We could have tagged or franchised him and potentially kept him or got more for him. And we already had 2 firsts, a 2nd, and 2 thirds next year...we had MORE than enough ammo to get a QB if we need one without having to trade Sammy. What do I think Watkins is going to do as a healtjy WR catching Passes from a capable QB? You just answered why the trade for Watkins was the worst in Buffalo Bills history. 1- He has been a walking MASH unit. 2- The Bills didn't have a capable QB to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 There was zero chance he was signing here. As soon as the 5th year was dropped, it was over. Terrible draft mistake by Whaley and now it's officially over. What if that extra 2nd is the difference in getting a qb....nobody knows Truer words have never been spoken ... he was gonzo after this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 No arguing the talent. The problem is we lost all the affordable years and had to gamble on whether he would reach his potential in the ridiculously expensive years. Re-signability came up several times in the presser, and rightfully so. Having said that.....he could rip the league to shreds for the next 8-10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Truer words have never been spoken ... he was gonzo after this year Did he really say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Did he really say that? Years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Years ago. Well....He was young and frustrated with the injuries. But it was pretty low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Years ago. Year October 2015 was like less than 2 years ago ... so kind of rounding up on your "years ago" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Today, the Bills gained the ammunition to obtain a franchise QB for the 2018 season. Either an established vet like Kirk Cousins or one of the 18 draft class best QBs will be on this team at this time next year. They gained the capability to obtain this QB with next year's draft assets only...not mortgaging future draft classes. The Watkins trade was a dumb trade for a WR. Idiotic when it happened and idotic today. The new regime's mistake was to not do this after committing to the option year for Sammy but that is a minor mistake compared to the idiocy of trading away a future #1 for a WR in 2014. This year was not a playoff year -- no way, no how...next year won't be either with the first year of likely a rookie QB, but I can't hate the course the Bills set today. Its what rebuilding teams should do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Years ago. A year and 10 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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