Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Two 1st round picks, Two 2nd picks, Two 3rd round picks, Free agents Tyrod Taylor, Jordan Matthews, EJ Gaines freeing up cap space. So Cousins or Garoppolo? We may have a couple more 3rd Rounders via Comp picks.. 8 picks in the first 3 rounds?? Figure those cuts to be made. Now, which '18 QB is a 'Franchise' player? With our luck the '17 draft classs ends up being better then the '18 draft class. Dude, if you think the only impediment to the Bills actually drafting a competent NFL QB in 2018 is the competition, you are living in Fantasy Land. The 2002, 2006, 2007, 2010, and 2013 drafts didn't produce a top QB, and the verdicts are still out on 2014-2017. Furthermore, in most drafts, there's at best, only 1 quality QB ... and not all of them were Top 3 or Top 5 picks. The only two drafts that have produced multiple HOF/likely HOF QBs since the merger were 1983 and 2004, which means there's a whole lot of both astute evaluation and luck involved in selecting the right collegiate QB to draft. Perfectly said. Everyone right now is talking up the '18 QB Draft Class. But let's check the date. August 12, 2017. Come next February the # of good prospects could go from 4 or 5 to 1 or even 0. And even then they are still only prospects. This whole thing has been a huge crapshoot over the last several years. Carr, Dak, Wilson three of the better QBs in the league currently all drafted 2nd round or later. You still have front offices taking major swings and misses at guys like Goff. Who's to say the Bills won't do the same in '18? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 The Bills will really have to bottom out and make sure that they lose both games to the Jets if they want a good QB prospect next year. Do you think that this is beyond the realm of possibility? I hope they win 16 games but 4 seems to be more likely. They have no deep threat so teams will be able to gang up on the run. Tyrod's mobility will help, unless he gets demolished. One thing is certain, it's not looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Do you think that this is beyond the realm of possibility? I hope they win 16 games but 4 seems to be more likely. They have no deep threat so teams will be able to gang up on the run. Tyrod's mobility will help, unless he gets demolished. One thing is certain, it's not looking good. I agree, but 6-10 won't be quite bad enough to be in good draft position. I don't think that Taylor is a good long term option at QB, but he can probably scramble his way to a couple wins that they should not get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Got to make the Jets a bit nervous as they see the stock pile of picks we have that could allow us to jump over them. As has been pointed out, other teams above may not trade, but having the ammo still helps alot and the Jets don't have it. Unless the Bills do much better than some are thinking and they pick much lower, its not often a team could trade up to maybe the #2 overall pick and still have a couple of top three round picks left for other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) I agree, but 6-10 won't be quite bad enough to be in good draft position. I don't think that Taylor is a good long term option at QB, but he can probably scramble his way to a couple wins that they should not get. You are probably right. I think that the bottom can easily fall out if we lose Shady and a blocker or 2, let alone Tyrod. It hurts to have to think like this. And if ya think these trades were painful, what happens if they blow the draft next year? They will have EVERY opportunity to make this a strong, solid team in 2018, to include all of these great picks and I think a ton of cap space. Edited August 12, 2017 by Bill from NYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman00 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 We did what the Jets are trying to do without going full tank mode. Yes the Bills have the option of moving up in the draft to get a qb OR they can make moves and acquire talent + picks for 2019 draft. The Pats did this very well for years and the Browns really improved on that system..... the Pats used to do a great job drafting, very hit and miss lately and the Browns are a wait and see how it all plays out but even with how bad their QB's are, I don't see them sucking this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I sure hope our rebuilt scouting dept is the real deal! Our future lies largely in their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 You are probably right. I think that the bottom can easily fall out if we lose Shady and a blocker or 2, let alone Tyrod. It hurts to have to think like this. And if ya think these trades were painful, what happens if they blow the draft next year? They will have EVERY opportunity to make this a strong, solid team in 2018, to include all of these great picks and I think a ton of cap space. For sure, they are an injury at S, CB or LB from having a dreadful defense. If they lose a player at both S and CB, the air raid sirens will be sounding every Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 they are trading up for a QB. they are collecting the needed ammo. now hopefully they might the right choice If there's a qb worth trading up for, what team in the bottom five is going to pass that up and hand him to the Bills? There's no logic to this idea that everyone is believing in. Franchise qbs are extremely scarce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I think the Bills know what they have in Tyrod which is not a Franchise QB. They are setting their sights on a QB in the 2018 draft. Even if the guys we got back end up being slightly worse than Watkins and Darby the picks were worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 We may have a couple more 3rd Rounders via Comp picks.. 8 picks in the first 3 rounds?? Figure those cuts to be made. Now, which '18 QB is a 'Franchise' player? Who knows but man will this year be exciting both for college ball and nfl....watching the bills, the chiefs and all the qb prospects....get yo popcorn ready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan60 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Here's the scary scenario, Taylor goes down against the jests, Peterman has jumped over yates, has rookie troubles and we lose the next six but shows promise each week. Then the light comes on and we end up 6-10 with one of the wns against the patsies with marsha at the helm in a shootout. Are we still looking for a QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Here's the scary scenario, Taylor goes down against the jests, Peterman has jumped over yates, has rookie troubles and we lose the next six but shows promise each week. Then the light comes on and we end up 6-10 with one of the wns against the patsies with marsha at the helm in a shootout. Are we still looking for a QB? No...we use our assets to rebuild the team and fill holes with young talent...or we trade down and stockpile assists for the following draft in case peterman poops his pants the following season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) If there's a qb worth trading up for, what team in the bottom five is going to pass that up and hand him to the Bills? There's no logic to this idea that everyone is believing in. Franchise qbs are extremely scarce. Cleveland, Chicago, San Fran Edited August 12, 2017 by kdiggz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overdue Bill Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 The Bills seem to be setting themselves up to go after a QB in the draft almost without regard to their record. While it seems unlikely that the Bills will break out of their perennial mediocrity this year and go anything above 8-8, they will be able to package picks together to move down in the draft if they somehow do so. If reality strikes and they finish sub 8-8 they may not need to do too much packaging to get a QB. The front office is making the right moves. They are even doing so without necessarily tanking the season totally. I agree...this was a great move by the leadership. Unless the Bills were willing to unload some of the baggage from the previous regime, they can't move forward. It was a mistake to trade up for Sammy and we never got the production out of him that we should have...why keep him around because of emotional attachment. We are well stocked with draft picks to build the foundation for a "Patriots' like run of superiority in the AFC East...we just need a few good picks and some stability in the front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Cleveland, Chicago, San Fran Cleveland, Chicago, San Fran San Fran and Kirk cousins is the scenario im looking close at....they both want each other. If they finish in the bottom perfect trade partner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 With two first-round picks, two second-round picks, two third-round picks, and a fourth, fifth and seventh. We have nine draft picks, six of them in the first three rounds. That's a nice supply of currency. so who do we draft, and who can we strike a nice deal with? Also the comp picks were getting when Beane releases a few on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) Here's the scary scenario, Taylor goes down against the jests, Peterman has jumped over yates, has rookie troubles and we lose the next six but shows promise each week. Then the light comes on and we end up 6-10 with one of the wns against the patsies with marsha at the helm in a shootout. Are we still looking for a QB? Define what it means for Peterman to have the light come on? Edited August 12, 2017 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Also the comp picks were getting when Beane releases a few on the roster. It would be total negligence to not take advantage of the comp pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 It would be total negligence to not take advantage of the comp pick Especially considering who we'd have to give up to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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