3rdand12 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 this is a post I can respect and tend to agree with. defense over all should be something to look forward to this season and hopefully beyond 3rdand12... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Im not taking the bait on the name calling....I will simply report and let the mods deal with that issue guess there was no issue. soooo, just keep that in mind. you bring this on yourself. i don't seek out to do this, you question me and i answer it and walk back everything you say a month later when you realize i was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) Ever have joint surgery? Ligament cartilage or tendon surgery? When subjecting your body to contact sports with monsters, 100% is never possible once an injury occurs. You can get close, but never 100%. In fact, I doubt he will be anywhere close to 80% physically and 60% mentally recovered by the start of the season. No I haven't, but then again, I'm 53 years old and not a football player. Are you a medical doctor? You know the percentage of recovery? Are you a psychiatrist? you know that he will be 60% mentally recovered? I've seen many players come back from injuries and not miss a beat. Neither one of will know until he plays, but not sure where you pull those numbers from. Edited July 10, 2017 by klos63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 No I haven't, but then again, I'm 53 years old and not a football player. Are you a medical doctor? You know the percentage of recovery? Are you a psychiatrist? you know that he will be 60% mentally recovered? I've seen many players come back from injuries and not miss a beat. Neither one of will know until he plays, but not sure where you pull those numbers from. both he and your posts raised my level of interest on recovery. drag is, he will be at a risk to re injure it and that is likely where the mental game plays a factor with having that risk always in your head, some more so than others? also, every person heals/recovers differently. they use a couple examples in the article who made impressive comebacks from the injury/surgery/rehab. hopefully the young man can/will bounce back and be able to contribute to the defense? http://www.drdavidgeier.com/when-athlete-ready-sports-after-acl-surgery/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoam Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) I'll be elated if Ragland is our B Spikes of 2014, but playing inside, and stops the run on the first 2 downs, and comes out on passing downs What's wrong with that? Its a terrific way to use the rookie in 2017 Who said he has to play every down? Shag and Adolphus didn't In fact how can folks be so excited about a guy like Hyde Who in GB (until they suffered injuries) over 4 years was mostly a 3rd down backup depth nickel CB playing mostly just one down Barely 600 snaps in 2015 And yet so unexcited about Ragland just playing two? I keep reading posts about Hyde being 'special' How so? What has he actually done as a player to date that was 'special'? lol Nada, he's a nice piece of needed change in our secondary but he has very little upside I am far more primed about Ragland's upside, let's dream big Not to mention Hodges PFF rating vs the run last year was superb, better than Zach's and Lorax, that's EXCITING.... jc Edited July 10, 2017 by wilcoam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I'll be elated if Ragland is our B Spikes of 2014, but playing inside, and stops the run on the first 2 downs, and comes out on passing downs What's wrong with that? Its a terrific way to use the rookie in 2017 Who said he has to play every down? Shag and Adolphus didn't In fact how can folks be so excited about a guy like Hyde Who in GB (until they suffered injuries) over 4 years was mostly a 3rd down backup depth nickel CB playing mostly just one down Barely 600 snaps in 2015 And yet so unexcited about Ragland just playing two? I keep reading posts about Hyde being 'special' How so? What has he actually done as a player to date that was 'special'? lol Nada, he's a nice piece of needed change in our secondary but he has very little upside I am far more primed about Ragland's upside, let's dream big Not to mention Hodges PFF rating vs the run last year was superb, better than Zach's and Lorax, that's EXCITING.... jc I respect your posts Good Sir. Earned it too. and this one is just as fair and balanced as i might hope we should all consider. Thanks for contributing here e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Ever have joint surgery? Ligament cartilage or tendon surgery? When subjecting your body to contact sports with monsters, 100% is never possible once an injury occurs. You can get close, but never 100%. In fact, I doubt he will be anywhere close to 80% physically and 60% mentally recovered by the start of the season. Dr. George is back! You were adamant that Lawson wouldn't be ready at all last season and wouldn't see the field. http://www.davidostermd.com/David_M._Oster/ACL_Surgery.html Here's from a surgical ACL specialist. "My choice for a tendon graft in ACL surgery are the hamstring tendons. In the past I exclusively used the central third of the patellar tendon and had great stability results with this however there is some morbidity of harvesting it. Patients frequently have numbness over their kneecap and have about a 25% risk of anterior knee pain. Approximately 10 to 12 years ago I started to use the hamstring tendons. What I noted was the the stability results were similar, however there is a much lower risk of anterior knee pain, numbness, pain after surgery and in the long term the knee feels more normal. I now have approximately 85 patient who have had a patellar tendon in one knee and a hamstring graft in the other, all but 2 if ever had to do it again would use a hamstring tendon. At the time of surgery an 2 inch incision is made just below the knee on the medial side. Two hamstring tendons are harvested (gracilis and the semi-tendinosis) and the tendons are folded in half making a 4 strand graft. If these tendons are equally tensioned they are approximately 3.5 times stronger than the original ACL. Approximately 70% of the time the hamstrings will grow back (not quite the same) and if knee flexion strength is evaluated at one year the strength on the operated leg is the same as the other leg." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KermitMcDermott Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I propose that every time Reggie makes a tackle they play this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Dr. George is back! You were adamant that Lawson wouldn't be ready at all last season and wouldn't see the field. http://www.davidostermd.com/David_M._Oster/ACL_Surgery.html Here's from a surgical ACL specialist. "My choice for a tendon graft in ACL surgery are the hamstring tendons. In the past I exclusively used the central third of the patellar tendon and had great stability results with this however there is some morbidity of harvesting it. Patients frequently have numbness over their kneecap and have about a 25% risk of anterior knee pain. Approximately 10 to 12 years ago I started to use the hamstring tendons. What I noted was the the stability results were similar, however there is a much lower risk of anterior knee pain, numbness, pain after surgery and in the long term the knee feels more normal. I now have approximately 85 patient who have had a patellar tendon in one knee and a hamstring graft in the other, all but 2 if ever had to do it again would use a hamstring tendon. At the time of surgery an 2 inch incision is made just below the knee on the medial side. Two hamstring tendons are harvested (gracilis and the semi-tendinosis) and the tendons are folded in half making a 4 strand graft. If these tendons are equally tensioned they are approximately 3.5 times stronger than the original ACL. Approximately 70% of the time the hamstrings will grow back (not quite the same) and if knee flexion strength is evaluated at one year the strength on the operated leg is the same as the other leg." As my son went through this injury his senior year of football (thereby killing his scholarship offer and sending him on a different path) Same position The modern day medicine with acl repair nowadays really does make it possible for the acl to be redone in a way where it is even stronger the PROBLEM is all of the things that happen to go along with a acl repair......in my son's case he also tore his meniscous.....then he had to go back in and have it scoped because the meniscous re tore...... Now......he did some things that he should not have done in his rehab back that caused issues.....it is sometimes difficult to take the competitor out of the athlete and mistakes were made. Reggie tore it before the season even started....he has had the entire year and had the surgery almost immediately.....it looks like they have been very cautious with it. i just hope that he does not need follow up surgerys that are not related to the ACL itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 As my son went through this injury his senior year of football (thereby killing his scholarship offer and sending him on a different path) Same position The modern day medicine with acl repair nowadays really does make it possible for the acl to be redone in a way where it is even stronger the PROBLEM is all of the things that happen to go along with a acl repair......in my son's case he also tore his meniscous.....then he had to go back in and have it scoped because the meniscous re tore...... Now......he did some things that he should not have done in his rehab back that caused issues.....it is sometimes difficult to take the competitor out of the athlete and mistakes were made. Reggie tore it before the season even started....he has had the entire year and had the surgery almost immediately.....it looks like they have been very cautious with it. i just hope that he does not need follow up surgerys that are not related to the ACL itself That's tough. If he just tore his ACL...he would have been completely fine. Meniscus changes the game. No I haven't, but then again, I'm 53 years old and not a football player. Are you a medical doctor? You know the percentage of recovery? Are you a psychiatrist? you know that he will be 60% mentally recovered? I've seen many players come back from injuries and not miss a beat. Neither one of will know until he plays, but not sure where you pull those numbers from. I can answer the bolded. George really believes he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 This doctor talk reminds me of an old joke that can be modified to fit the Ragland discussion: RR: Doc, when my ACL heals will I be able to play 2017 NFL LB? Doc: I don't see why not. RR: Awesome because before the surgery I was a throwback who only fit in college and circa 1978 NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Dr. George is back! You were adamant that Lawson wouldn't be ready at all last season and wouldn't see the field. http://www.davidostermd.com/David_M._Oster/ACL_Surgery.html Here's from a surgical ACL specialist. "My choice for a tendon graft in ACL surgery are the hamstring tendons. In the past I exclusively used the central third of the patellar tendon and had great stability results with this however there is some morbidity of harvesting it. Patients frequently have numbness over their kneecap and have about a 25% risk of anterior knee pain. Approximately 10 to 12 years ago I started to use the hamstring tendons. What I noted was the the stability results were similar, however there is a much lower risk of anterior knee pain, numbness, pain after surgery and in the long term the knee feels more normal. I now have approximately 85 patient who have had a patellar tendon in one knee and a hamstring graft in the other, all but 2 if ever had to do it again would use a hamstring tendon. At the time of surgery an 2 inch incision is made just below the knee on the medial side. Two hamstring tendons are harvested (gracilis and the semi-tendinosis) and the tendons are folded in half making a 4 strand graft. If these tendons are equally tensioned they are approximately 3.5 times stronger than the original ACL. Approximately 70% of the time the hamstrings will grow back (not quite the same) and if knee flexion strength is evaluated at one year the strength on the operated leg is the same as the other leg." most of us realize george c has no god damn idea what he's talking about most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 This doctor talk reminds me of an old joke that can be modified to fit the Ragland discussion: RR: Doc, when my ACL heals will I be able to play 2017 NFL LB? Doc: I don't see why not. RR: Awesome because before the surgery I was a throwback who only fit in college and circa 1978 NFL. This is the worst joke ever told on the internet. most of us realize george c has no god damn idea what he's talking about most of the time. I remember when he also adamant that Jerry Hughes was a goner....he wouldn't sign an extension with the Bills a few years ago. He mocked me for being clueless because I didn't see the writing on the wall. I miss Jerry Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 This is the worst joke ever told on the internet. I remember when he also adamant that Jerry Hughes was a goner....he wouldn't sign an extension with the Bills a few years ago. He mocked me for being clueless because I didn't see the writing on the wall. I miss Jerry Hughes. when talking to him, you'd think he was a snotty teenager. the guy is in his 50s or 60s. not a good look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 when talking to him, you'd think he was a snotty teenager. the guy is in his 50s or 60s. not a good look. I injured my shoulder building a fire pit this weekend. I consulted with Dr. George and he let me know it would never heal. Told me I would be in a sling for the next 136 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I injured my shoulder building a fire pit this weekend. I consulted with Dr. George and he let me know it would never heal. Told me I would be in a sling for the next 136 months. did he give you anything to rub on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 did he give you anything to rub on it? No...the gel wasn't covered by insurance and it was $300 out of pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 did he give you anything to rub on it? I think Teeflebees does enough "rub" talk on Off the Wall. Please don't encourage more...thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) Is it not clear as a bell that Rex is the one who desired Ragland and Whaley may or may not have agreed? Rex's track record tells us what to expect. Anything out of Ragland is a bonus. I think it probably was Rex that wanted Ragland, but ultimately Whaley had final say. Many GMs have failed because they listened to coaches instead of going with the players they preferred. Phil Savage talked about that exact situation as the one bit of advice he'd give to every new GM. That's what led to him choosing Wimbley over Ngata. He now knows the mistake was ultimately his own fault. The same goes for Whaley. As for Ragland, I do expect some production from him in base and big sets. Again, just because a player is taken earlier than he should have been doesn't mean he doesn't hold some value. Edited July 11, 2017 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 most of us realize george c has no god damn idea what he's talking about most of the time. Teef, so sad to see that you still live to argue with everyone and everything. It's a very sad state.. I'm not even sure why I'm responding to you. Since you can't seem to concentrate clearly on what I said, I said Lawson will play, but will be totally ineffective until the following season. You can continue to argue, throw stones, fight and lay on your belly having another consistent temper tantrum kicking and screaming, and the rest of us will just smile... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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