Summary: Players lost/gained in 2017.

[ChanOverChin]

Here's a list of the player lost and gained in 2017 thus far.

 

Players Lost:

 

Defense:

CB Gilmore

CB White

CB Robey-Coleman

S A. Williams

S C. Graham

LB Z. Brown

DE L. McCray

 

Offense:

QB EJ Manuel

RB Gillislee

FB J. Felton

WR Woods

WR Goodwin

OT Kouandjio

 

ST:

Carpenter

Sanborn

 

Players Added:

 

Defense:

DE Sh. Lawson (R1) - Missed most of last year

MLB R. Ragland (R2) - Missed all of last year

OLB G. Hodges

OLB M. Milano (R5)

OLB Vallejo (R6)

CB T. White (R1)

CB L. Coleman

CB Sh. Wright

S M. Hyde

S Poyer

 

Offense:

QB TJ Yates

QB N. Peterman (R5)

RB Tolbert

FB DiMarco

TE Saxton

WR Z. Jones (R2)

WR Holmes

WR Streater

WR C. Brown

WR Butler

WR Listenbee - Missed all of last year

OT D. Dawkins (R2)

OG/OT Ducasse

 

ST:

K Hauschka

P Rehkow

LS Ferguson

S Anderson - Missed all of last year

 

My take:

 

Defense: CB Gilmore and LB Z. Brown were significant losses although Gilmore was very inconsistent last year and is not generally regarded as a good tackler. The Bills played most of the year without S A. Williams, which was a big loss for them.

 

Lawson, Ragland, Hodges, Hyde, and White are all significant adds. Expect Hughes and Dareus to be a much better player in McD's system where they won't be expected to drop into coverage. Alexander may struggle as a 4-3 OLB, but should thrive as a designated pass rusher.

 

Offense: WR Woods was a good player, but was often out due to injury. WR Goodwin was good at times, but also often out due to injury.

 

DiMarco, Z. Jones, Holmes, and Dawkins are all significant adds. Peterman is an upgrade at QB. Tolbert gives the Bills the big back they need to move the chains in short yardage situations and could be a force near the goal line. WR Listenbee could surprise with his speed to get deep down the field. The biggest difference that I see on offense is that the Bills appear to be better equipped to convert on short yardage situations, which could go a long way towards extending drives and ultimately putting points on the board.

 

ST: Hauschka looks like a big upgrade over Carpenter, whose consistency had fallen way off. Hauschka will be a real weapon in close games since he is capable of kicking 55-60 yd FGs. Rehkow looks like he could unseat Schmidt since he has a stronger leg, can kick EPs/FGs in a pinch, and can also kick deep on KOs.

 

Overall: The Bills' talent appears to be better than last year, greatly helped by the fact that they essentially were handed extra R1 and R2 picks this year in Lawson and Ragland respectively. I believe that Denver has the best blocking scheme in the league and now the Bills will be utilizing that scheme under OC Dennison. QB Taylor has a chance to be a more productive player due to the nuances of this offense, which stresses the run game and a lot of play action. If studs like Watkins and Clay can finally stay healthy for the majority of the year this could be a much improved unit. But that remains a big "IF" at this point. I'd still would like to see a quality TE like G. Barnidge added to this group for more balance and unpredictability.

 

The 4-3 is a much better fit for the Bills' defensive players, especially for DE J. Hughes. Having DT M. Dareus for the entire year will go a long way. Having Ragland, Hodges, Alexander, and P. Brown at LB is an improvement over last year. Expect Alexander to be moved around like a chess piece to wreck havoc on the opposing offense. Hyde is a difference-maker at safety, but the Bills could sure use a guy like S J. Byrd to balance things out. The Bills have capable, but not great CBs. They will depend upon rookie CB T. White and second year CB K. Seymour to do a lot of the heavy lifting along with CB Darby, who had a down year last year. CBs Sh. Wright and L. Coleman add some nice depth.

 

I believe the Bills will be much improved at K and P, having added Hauschka, the third most accurate K in NFL history, as well as rookie P Rehkow, who was the best punter available in this year's draft. Expect LS Ferguson to be adequate regarding the long-snapping duties.

 

The Bills have a plethora of possible solid PRs and KRs on the roster. At PR, they have B. Tate, C. Brown, Hyde, Poyer, and White. At KR, they have Tate, C. Brown, J. Williams, and Listenbee.

 

S Anderson and LB Alexander are both standout ST players.

[Mark80]

Hopefully the biggest loss / gain win came from losing Rex and Whaley and getting McDermott and Beane.

 

To me, we are even or maybe a little ahead of our roster last year as far as adds / subtractions go. Gilmore is really the only lost player of consequence IMO. Zach Brown was OK, but not spectacular.

 

I just don't see how people are only saying 3, 4, or 5 wins. This team has 7 wins in them at a minimum.

Edited May 26, 2017 by Mark80

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Nice write-up and thanks for the work.

 

Wouldn't include Lawson in additions this year. He did play last year, so where should the line be drawn - 2 weeks? 4? 8? 12? Still, he does figure to be impactful.

 

Would find it hilarious if we went from keeping a K, P, and KOS, to just Rehkow, who should compete with Haushka who misses XPs at a near-Carpenter rate.

 

Otherwise, again, much appreciated!

[JM2009]

Hopefully the biggest loss / gain win came from losing Rex and Whaley and getting McDermott and Beane.

 

To me, we are even or maybe a little ahead of our roster last year as far as adds / subtractions go. Gilmore is really the only lost player of consequence IMO. Zach Brown was OK, but not spectacular.

 

I just don't see how people are only saying 3, 4, or 5 wins. This team has 7 wins in them at a minimum.

Gillisee was a big loss.

[Mark80]

Gillisee was a big loss.

 

Really, a backup running back? That's a big loss? If RBs are a dime a dozen, what are backup RBs?

[ChanOverChin]

It certainly does appear that the hiring of McDermott and Beane is a big improvement over Ryan and Whaley, but only time will tell.

 

Lawson missed about half the year and wasn't in tip top playing shape when he did play. I expect to see a whole new player this year with Lawson coming back fully healthy, in top condition, and ready to impress his new coaches.

 

Lawson was expected to be selected as high as #11 overall in last year's draft, but was passed over because of the shoulder injury. He is taylor-made for the 4-3 DE position. Expect him to be a high impact player this year.

 

Gillislee would only be a big loss if McCoy gets injured and misses a lot of time. He's a loss, but not a big loss. The Bills can make up for his loss by sharing the touches that he would have had amongst Taylor, J. Williams, Tolbert, and DiMarco.

 

Who knows, maybe the Bills will consider adding vet RB De. Williams on the cheap. He is a former member of the Carolina Panthers (McD's former team).

 

The Bills would have made the playoffs last year had they beaten Miami in their second meeting. And that would have happened had Carpenter made the 40+ yd FG late in the game because with a playoff bid on the line I'm confident that the Bills would have beaten the Jets in the final game of the season had they really wanted to.

 

Just think how different things would be had Carpenter made that FG and the Bills had made the playoffs. Ryan would likely still be the Bills' HC and Whaley may still be their GM.

 

The point is that the Bills should have made the playoffs last year. That bodes well for their chances this year since I think that it's pretty obvious from the info above that they are a more talented team this year.......and I don't think they're done adding players. I'll also add that I firmly believe that Dennison is a better OC that what the Bills had last year and that McD/Frazier's defensive better suits the Bills' defensive personnel that Ryan's scheme. In addition, the McD-led Bills are likely to be more disciplined and less mistake-prone than the team that Ryan led.

[mikemac2001]

 

Really, a backup running back? That's a big loss? If RBs are a dime a dozen, what are backup RBs?

Everyone loves players lost

 

MG was a productive back in a backup roll we decided we could get similar production and a pick as well as saving cap it was a smart business decision with little change in production

[mjt328]

It's hard to judge the upcoming season on talent adds/losses alone.

 

The biggest change is going to be a new coaching staff (with a rookie head coach, no less). This means new philosophies and game plans. New schemes and playbooks on both sides of the ball. Nobody can really know what to expect. Good or bad.

 

Some players will be stronger fits for the new system. But it's possible other players will really struggle to adapt to the changes. It also may take some time for the players to come together and execute to their full potential in the new schemes.

 

Not to mention, the Bills will likely have (at least) three starters who have never played an NFL snap. Reggie Ragland, Tre'Davious White and Zay Jones are probably early favorites to earn starting roles as first year players. It's quite possible that Dion Dawkins pushes that number to four by the start of the season.

[LABILLBACKER]

All the additions and subtractions don't mean squat if these 4 players don't have an amazing season. Tyrod, Shady, Dareus and Sammy.

[ChanOverChin]

No doubt that the new coaches and new schemes will have a very big impact on this season, but I maintain that it is the players that make the difference.

 

In essence, the talent of the players matters more than the scheme. The point of this thread is simply to point out that the Bills are more talented this year than they were last year, although they still have some obvious holes to fill. Hopefully, they will continue to work towards that end.

 

The Bills do need to get to a point where the schemes and the coaches mostly remain the same.

 

There's a reason why teams like New England and Pittsburgh are in the playoffs virtually every year.

 

 

 

 

[Captain_Quint]

Gillisee was a big loss.

He was a big loss like Karlos Williams was a big loss last offseason. On paper, they both produced TDs and came up big in short yardage situations.

 

But both of their biggest assets are that they are a different style than Shady.

 

I really feel like we can find someone else to plug in this year to get the same production that these guys gave us for the last 2 seasons.

[BilLions]

Strength of schedule likely negates any improvement in roster. But leadership changes could overcome SOS difference from last year. As with many drought years, injuries are going to make or break Bills. Look at next man up in any position. That is what scares me the most.

[Punching Bag]

 

Really, a backup running back? That's a big loss? If RBs are a dime a dozen, what are backup RBs?

 

Underrated?

[ChanOverChin]

The depth of this Bills team is relatively weak. That may be their ultimate downfall.

 

Players are going to be injured so when there is a big drop off in talent from 1st string to second or third string that's when the team begins to lose game.

 

Again, it is the PLAYERS who win games, not the coaches. There's not a whole lot McD and his coaching staff can do when they have to field lesser talented players because their depth is weak.

[BmarvB]

All the additions and subtractions don't mean squat if these 4 players don't have an amazing season. Tyrod, Shady, Dareus and Sammy.

The four of them must have all pro seasons for the team to make the playoffs

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Strength of schedule likely negates any improvement in roster. But leadership changes could overcome SOS difference from last year. As with many drought years, injuries are going to make or break Bills. Look at next man up in any position. That is what scares me the most.

 

....strength of schedule comparative analysis pre-season vs end of season by team would be interesting to see if one of the TBD stat gurus wants to do it......maybe even a three year window.....

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Every year at this time it's pointed out how we have a much tougher schedule this coming season than the year prior. So much can change between now and December. Likely one or two teams who are expected to be very good, will fall off, and someone else expected to win 4 or 5 games will be fighting for a playoff spot Last year at this time we were playing Cinnci a playoff team and Jax and up and coming star. How'd that work out?

 

 

Strength of schedule likely negates any improvement in roster. But leadership changes could overcome SOS difference from last year. As with many drought years, injuries are going to make or break Bills. Look at next man up in any position. That is what scares me the most.

[Uncle Joe]

 

Really, a backup running back? That's a big loss? If RBs are a dime a dozen, what are backup RBs?

 

Boobies?

 

I hope we don't miss Dizzy. I understand the final cost benefit analysis of letting him go.

[Iron Maiden]

No doubt that the new coaches and new schemes will have a very big impact on this season, but I maintain that it is the players that make the difference.

 

In essence, the talent of the players matters more than the scheme. The point of this thread is simply to point out that the Bills are more talented this year than they were last year, although they still have some obvious holes to fill. Hopefully, they will continue to work towards that end.

 

The Bills do need to get to a point where the schemes and the coaches mostly remain the same.

 

There's a reason why teams like New England and Pittsburgh are in the playoffs virtually every year.

 

 

 

 

 

I would venture to say that the reasons are Brady and Big Ben....

[Paul Costa]

Roster is better. To try and predict the schedule is tough. At this time last year not many people predicted we would beat Arizona and New England and then go out to LA and beat the 3-1 Rams. Bills are definitely moving in the right direction. There are so many variables that will determine wins and losses it's not worth trying to predict. Maybe it's our turn🙏🏾