Deranged Rhino Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Didn't he plead guilty to lying to the FBI? Why would he lie to our side about conversations with Russians? Gosh, I hope it wasn't so the sanctions would be dropped so Donald could get his corrupt hotel. What a reason to go down in flames. 1) If he did lie to the FBI, which not even Congress nor the FBI agree he did, it's not treason. 2) The call in question in which he "lied" about was in no way illegal, and in no way violated sanctions. In fact, the only illegal part of the call was that Flynn was unmasked and the contents leaked to the press in violation of his 4th amendment rights. There's no evidence of treason, or even of a crime committed by General Flynn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Foxx said: since the current economic sanctions were issued by EO under Obama in 2014, a simple EO by Trump could just as easily dismiss them. the only sanctions that congress would have to undo are the ones they enacted, which were primarily for weapons sales and human rights violations. Actually, the current round of sanctions were issued last March by Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Actually, the current round of sanctions were issued last March by Trump. in addition to Obama's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Just now, Foxx said: in addition to Obama's? Yes. I don't recall Trump rescinding any sanctions. He kept his predecessor's schedule of sanctions in place. Unlike Obama. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Actually, the current round of sanctions were issued last March by Trump. Obviously Trump is pissed about not getting a favorable Trump Tower deal in Russia so he's sticking it to Vlad now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 There is an incredible amount of ignorance in this thread. Tell me, has there ever been a real estate deal made without identifying the actual property? It has been written that this deal was so preliminary that no one on Trump's side even visited Moscow for this deal and no property was identified. Gleeful Gator is the King of Idiocy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 28 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: There is an incredible amount of ignorance in this thread. Tell me, has there ever been a real estate deal made without identifying the actual property? It has been written that this deal was so preliminary that no one on Trump's side even visited Moscow for this deal and no property was identified. Gleeful Gator is the King of Idiocy. TDS has ruined any political discussions in this country and just this thread alone is a microcosm of it. Liberals unhealthy 24/7 hateful obsession with Trump is beyond retarded and I have become numb to it as you really don't see me post much in political threads any more. My obsession is to get some help for Josh Allen this off season. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, njbuff said: I have become numb to it as you really don't see me post much in political threads any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Expecting the Flynn sentencing memo any time now: (thread) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Expecting the Flynn sentencing memo any time now: (thread) Zoe is an excellent reporter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1069712896798666752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 interesting thread.... https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1070072230292283392 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Another one down (though this one has been playing ball for months)... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Another one down (though this one has been playing ball for months)... Instead of canning him before he became eligible (like McCabe), they let him get to 20 years and retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 54 minutes ago, snafu said: Instead of canning him before he became eligible (like McCabe), they let him get to 20 years and retire. Remember what I've been saying about BP for months: Comey threw him under the bus and he became a willing cooperative witness very early on for Horowitz and Huber both. Unlike the other conspirators within the FBI who have had their power removed, BP was actively running and signing off on indictments - which is what you'd expect of a guy who's working with the investigation rather than against it. He was the number two guy at the FBI's most powerful division - and had the goods on everybody. If he's being allowed to "retire" now, that means he's likely concluded his testimony and the investigations are nearing an end. If he has been rolling over on the other palace coup plotters, and if Huber/Horowitz have real teeth, then he could bring everyone down with the access he had. All the way to the Oval Office. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swill Merchant Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Special Counsel Mueller is building a report, not a case. https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/robert-mueller-plan-trump-russia-investigation-report-not-case/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 10 hours ago, Tiberius said: Motive for why Trump curried Putin's favor Cohen’s plea on Thursday provides a key ingredient — motive. For those who long wondered why throughout the presidential campaign Trump could not bring himself to say a critical word about Russian President Vladimir Putin, we now know the answer: Trump was hoping to do business in Russia, and doing so would require the approval of Putin. The putative Moscow project helps provide motive for Trump to have curried favor with Putin. And once Trump repeatedly and publicly denied having any business interests in Russia, Putin had leverage over Trump, because he knew this claim was an easily disprovable lie. Cohen’s disclosure exposes not just Trump as having lied about his business interests in Russia, it potentially also exposes his family as well. Donald Trump Jr. and Jared Kushner have both testified before Congress. We know Trump Jr. was asked about his role in negotiations about building Trump Tower Moscow, and while a transcript of Kushner’s testimony has not been made public, it is hard to imagine that he was not also asked about the Trump Organization’s business ties to Russia. We now know that Cohen “briefed family members of” Trump about the progress of the venture. Did they testify truthfully about this? Mueller either knows or no doubt soon will find out. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/12/03/michael-cohen-plea-deal-donald-trump-tower-moscow-russia-column/2183355002/ So he tried to curry favor with Putin so he could do business in Russia in case he lost the nomination or election? Wow, what a criminal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Swill Merchant said: Special Counsel Mueller is building a report, not a case. https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/robert-mueller-plan-trump-russia-investigation-report-not-case/ Wow what a shittastic article. And people will believe it. My God, that article is what people actually believe is going on?!? ***** beyond retarded. Beyond stupid. The author is a savant. A ***** autistic savant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Wow what a shittastic article. And people will believe it. My God, that article is what people actually believe is going on?!? ***** beyond retarded. Beyond stupid. The author is a savant. A ***** autistic savant. That areticle isn't any more stupid or smart than what anyone else has to offer on what the hell is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, snafu said: That areticle isn't any more stupid or smart than what anyone else has to offer on what the hell is going on. Not at all. Many articles actually articulate the theories with evidence. That article is literally akin to half the dolts and lowIQ dross on TSW. He States no facts to present his emotions and viewpoint and wanders in an echo chamber to discuss the theory he has without discussing even so much as what the actual crimes of those dudes were or timeline relating to Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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