Blokestradamus Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Thomas could fall to 10 and make the Bills think hard. I continue to believe that SF has been smokescreening and likes Trubinsky (he's a Cousins clone). If SF passes on Thomas he could fall to us. He's not a position of glaring need but how do you pass up a player like him (or Allen for that matter)? You can't have too many impact defensive linemen IMO. I'd get the logic behind selecting Thomas if he's on the board. I'm not his biggest fan but he fits McDermott's type (especially with Jerry having an out in his deal after 2017). Allen is one of the few first round guys in this class that I haven't pinged for his relative lack of athletic ability. He's not a poor athlete by any means but he's so technically advanced that it trumps him only hitting certain benchmarks. If they go down the 3-tech route, I'd prefer Malik McDowell but won't grumble about Allen too much. The Panthers built on the front 7 under Rivera/McDermott, I'd expect that to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 http://gridironnow.com/draft-analyst-derek-barnett-will-lead-league-sacks-myles-garrett/ I am with Bucky. I value hands almost more than anything else for pass rushers, it is one of the reasons I loved Shaq. I think Barnett's hands are the best of any rusher in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) I think we take Barnett if available at 10 over WR. I'm not yet sold on Williams, Davis and Ross - especially Top 10. Barnett had like 28 sacks against SEC teams versus what, 11 for Garrett? I'm an Aggie fan by association of living near here and I think the talent gap is small between Garrett, Thomas and Barnett. I personally like Thomas the best, but he is in a different mold of a player. I see him more as a Justin Smith versus say a pure edge rusher. Edited April 25, 2017 by Kaenon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 It's not a need persay, but could Barnett be the best available player at 10? And would you like this pick? Cause it's going to be awfully difficult to trade down just trade down for whatever someone will offer. its a tank year, so anyone will do in round 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 This pass rush class is Myles Garrett and a bunch of other dudes. I wouldn't touch another edge guy after Myles until the 20's at the earliest and wouldn't touch Barnett/Watt/McKinley/Lawson/Taco until the 2nd. Shaq would be DE2 in this class. Yet Taco literally had the same production this past season as Garrett. Barnett broke records held by Reggie White and has a smiling body of work in terms of production and disruption in the back field. Charles Harris has been an absolute best in the backfield the past two years. I'm not to sure you watch much college football or if you regurgitate the media rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Yet Taco literally had the same production this past season as Garrett. Barnett broke records held by Reggie White and has a smiling body of work in terms of production and disruption in the back field. Charles Harris has been an absolute best in the backfield the past two years. I'm not to sure you watch much college football or if you regurgitate the media rankings. Pretty sure you just talked stats at me, son. I'd wind your neck in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Yet Taco literally had the same production this past season as Garrett. Barnett broke records held by Reggie White and has a smiling body of work in terms of production and disruption in the back field. Charles Harris has been an absolute best in the backfield the past two years. I'm not to sure you watch much college football or if you regurgitate the media rankings. If you're accusing Blokes of "regurgitating" media rankings, then you haven't been paying attention. This dude lives and breathes player evaluation. You don't have to agree with him (he and I have some great debates over players), but his work is outstanding; his player evaluations are must-read material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Pretty sure you just talked stats at me, son. I'd wind your neck in. If you're accusing Blokes of "regurgitating" media rankings, then you haven't been paying attention. This dude lives and breathes player evaluation. You don't have to agree with him (he and I have some great debates over players), but his work is outstanding; his player evaluations are must-read material. Challenge accepted! Alright Blokes, what is it about Derek Barnett, Taco Charlton & Charles Harris that has you giving them less than 1st round grades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Pretty sure you just talked stats at me, son. I'd wind your neck in. Son? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Barnett is what we wish Lawson would become, I'm afraid the pick would be to redundant for GM on a slippery slope. Only if he is the best player available ......Sorry hockey lovers this isn't Murray . Whaley know what he is dong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins_deep Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Barnett to me just lacks the athleticism. He's a high motor guy with big production but I just wonder how it will transfer? he was sick at the combine.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I want no part of Barnett, and it has nothing to do with the fact that DE isn't as big of a "need" for the Bills as other positions.It has entirely to do with the fact that Barnett as average to below average athletically for the position. He's a Bjoern Werner with better college production. NOTHING about him is special athletically. Winning with your hands is something you can teach to a superior athlete. You cannot, however, teach superior athleticism to someone who can win with his hands.No to Barnett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I want no part of Barnett, and it has nothing to do with the fact that DE isn't as big of a "need" for the Bills as other positions. It has entirely to do with the fact that Barnett as average to below average athletically for the position. He's a Bjoern Werner with better college production. NOTHING about him is special athletically. Winning with your hands is something you can teach to a superior athlete. You cannot, however, teach superior athleticism to someone who can win with his hands. No to Barnett. I'm just saying - the same things were said about JJ Watt. I haven't watched enough of Barnett to know whether he's more like Werner or more like Watt, I'm just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins_deep Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I want no part of Barnett, and it has nothing to do with the fact that DE isn't as big of a "need" for the Bills as other positions. It has entirely to do with the fact that Barnett as average to below average athletically for the position. He's a Bjoern Werner with better college production. NOTHING about him is special athletically. Winning with your hands is something you can teach to a superior athlete. You cannot, however, teach superior athleticism to someone who can win with his hands. No to Barnett. again sick at the combine. I dont really care about the combine. Ever since seeing suggs and simeon rice run 5.0 idc anymore. ( regular ppl dont understand how fast 4.9 4.8 is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Seen the Peter King mock..hmnn.No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Isn't he a bit small for what McD likes at DE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 If he's really that good, I don't have a problem taking a DE who is a beast at getting to the qb. No problem at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I really like Barnett. He's going to be a great pro. Amazing motor and great technique. I wouldn't be mad if we picked him at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I want no part of Barnett, and it has nothing to do with the fact that DE isn't as big of a "need" for the Bills as other positions. It has entirely to do with the fact that Barnett as average to below average athletically for the position. He's a Bjoern Werner with better college production. NOTHING about him is special athletically. Winning with your hands is something you can teach to a superior athlete. You cannot, however, teach superior athleticism to someone who can win with his hands. No to Barnett. I see where you're coming from, but the same was said about Terrell Suggs. All he has done since coming into the NFL is dominate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I see where you're coming from, but the same was said about Terrell Suggs. All he has done since coming into the NFL is dominate. Funny you should bring up Suggs: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2017/sackseer-2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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