Mets fans?

[Captain Murica]

2 hours ago, Another Fan said:

That was just depressing last night.  One of if not the worst loss this year.  DeGrom pitches his heart out only to get no run support.  Too it's credit the bullpen wasn't bad for most of the night.  WTF as well with the number of Cubs fans there when they took the lead?  That was equally depressing.

 

Last night is what pushed me over the edge to say to start a 2-3 year rebuild now.  Build up on some minor league talent 

 

That was ridiculous, but not unexpected seeing as a lot of fans are already packing it in and selling their seats.  

 

Ill be be there next Sunday for Sunday Night baseball against the Yankees and have a feeling it will be 50/50 if not more Yankees fans than Mets fans. Which is really depressing.

[Misterbluesky]

10 hours ago, Another Fan said:

 

 

Last night is what pushed me over the edge to say to start a 2-3 year rebuild now.  Build up on some minor league talent 

I'm willing to bet Bruce is going to end up in Minnesota. 

[Captain Murica]

 

10 hours ago, Another Fan said:

That was just depressing last night.  One of if not the worst loss this year.  DeGrom pitches his heart out only to get no run support.  Too it's credit the bullpen wasn't bad for most of the night.  WTF as well with the number of Cubs fans there when they took the lead?  That was equally depressing.

 

Last night is what pushed me over the edge to say to start a 2-3 year rebuild now.  Build up on some minor league talent 

 

Yeah, I’m pretty much there myself saying we need to rebuild. Keep Thor, DeGrom, conforto, and Nimmo. The rest of the misfits can be shipped off. 

 

It worked wonders for the Phillies, Braves and Astros. Too bad we can follow our cross town neighbors model. By building up the farm system and continue to sign/trade for big names to win now and for the future. 

[Another Fan]

26 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

 

 

Yeah, I’m pretty much there myself saying we need to rebuild. Keep Thor, DeGrom, conforto, and Nimmo. The rest of the misfits can be shipped off. 

 

It worked wonders for the Phillies, Braves and Astros. Too bad we can follow our cross town neighbors model. By building up the farm system and continue to sign/trade for big names to win now and for the future. 

I hear that.  Try to have fun at the Yankee game.  It might actually be in the teams best interest to get spanked by the Yanks.  Maybe that's what it'll take to change things around and get through to management. 

[Gugny]

Two words:  Bobby Valentine

 

He'd have his team in first place.  Guaranteed.  

[Captain Murica]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Two words:  Bobby Valentine

 

He'd have his team in first place.  Guaranteed.  

Yup, he would. I went back a few days ago to look at his record as the Mets manager. His record was really good, and it feels like 100 years ago. 

[Another Fan]

Wish Wally B would have gotten a chance

[Golden Goat]

Anybody else excited about the draft on Monday? Me neither. But still, it's happening, so let's discuss.

We're sitting at #6 overall. For months, the mets been rumored to have strong interest in Alec Bohm and Jonathan India, both third basemen, from Wichita State and Florida, respectively. My gut tells me they'll take Bohm if he somehow gets by Philly, but I think India goes later. My wildcard (and preference) is outfielder Jarred Kelenic from Wisconsin, who is considered the best hitter in the draft. He's just out of high school, and very much the wildcard Brandon Nimmo was. Not only can he hit -- he has an amazing eye at the plate.

We need lots of help in 2018, but that's not going to come out of this draft regardless. I think we're sellers this year and will be unloading a number of our vets for prospects. I don't have any issues developing an 18-year-old.

 

Thoughts on the draft?

 

1 hour ago, Captain Murica said:

Yup, he would. I went back a few days ago to look at his record as the Mets manager. His record was really good, and it feels like 100 years ago. 

 

In my lifetime, I've loved Davey Johnson and Valentine as our managers. That's it.

Edited June 4, 2018 by Golden Goat

[SinceThe70s]

1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said:

I'm willing to bet Bruce is going to end up in Minnesota. 

 

I'd be happy to be rid of Bruce, but why would Minnesota want him? And I don't see getting much of value in return...and that would be dependent on us  eating contract which also seems unlikely.

 

59 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

 

 

Yeah, I’m pretty much there myself saying we need to rebuild. Keep Thor, DeGrom, conforto, and Nimmo. The rest of the misfits can be shipped off. 

 

It worked wonders for the Phillies, Braves and Astros. Too bad we can follow our cross town neighbors model. By building up the farm system and continue to sign/trade for big names to win now and for the future. 

 

I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet even though my expectations for the rest of the year are pretty low (although starting pitching has been pretty encouraging lately). Farm system looks pretty bare. Besides Alonso I'm not sure who we'd want to make room for this year. 

 

I don't see any sense in giving up on Rosario. Mesoraco has shown me enough to continue his tryout. I'm also not ready to give up on Matz who has been very good lately. 

 

Gsellman and Lugo could easily be traded, but I don't think dumping promising young pitchers is a good idea.

 

Familia would be a hot commodity. Someone would take Blevins...left handed pitcher with a pulse. And I'd be fine with moving on from Wheeler for the right return.

 

Cabrera is probably our best example of a guy we could sell high on, I'm just not ready yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

Two words:  Bobby Valentine

 

He'd have his team in first place.  Guaranteed.  

 

His World Series outfield was Benny Agbayani, Timo Perez and Jay Payton.

[Gugny]

23 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

His World Series outfield was Benny Agbayani, Timo Perez and Jay Payton.

 

Exactly

[Greybeard]

On 6/3/2018 at 12:27 AM, Golden Goat said:

        I don't think the Mets ever got that high off the ground.

[Misterbluesky]

1 hour ago, Greybeard said:

        I don't think the Mets ever got that high off the ground.

We were 11-1 at one point.

[Captain Murica]

 

[Gugny]

28 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

 

 

Wow!  Nice find.  That's a hell of a list.

[Captain Murica]

If you view Team Salary Payroll and sort by Total Payroll, the Mets are 11th out of 30 MLB teams at $157.4M

But, if you sort by 25 Man Roster payroll they are 25th in MLB with $60.4M, barely ahead of the Padres and the Marlins

Basically they're a July trade of Asdrubal Cabrera away from having the lowest active roster payroll in the NL, unless David Wright makes it back into major league action this year

[Golden Goat]

Welcome to the Mets, Jarred Kelenic!

 

https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-draft-of-jarred-kelenic-in-first-round-1.18971375

[SinceThe70s]

7 minutes ago, Golden Goat said:

Welcome to the Mets, Jarred Kelenic!

 

https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-draft-of-jarred-kelenic-in-first-round-1.18971375

 

You got your guy, eh? Nice call.

 

On a completely unrelated note, here's another insult heaped on Mets fans this past weekend. The Todd Frazier replica pull-over giveaway didn't happen on Saturday night due to a quality control issue:

 

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2018/06/02/ny-mets-pull-fan-giveaway-because-quality-control-issue/666704002/

 

Instead, the first 15,000 fans got vouchers for the pull-over. And according to a co-worker they were giving out left-over Conforto jerseys from the night before and other t-shirts.

 

For the record I got the Conforto give-away on Friday and it is surprisingly nice. Might be the highest quality giveaway with the least intrusive advertising I've ever gotten.

[Misterbluesky]

1 hour ago, Captain Murica said:

If you view Team Salary Payroll and sort by Total Payroll, the Mets are 11th out of 30 MLB teams at $157.4M

But, if you sort by 25 Man Roster payroll they are 25th in MLB with $60.4M, barely ahead of the Padres and the Marlins

Basically they're a July trade of Asdrubal Cabrera away from having the lowest active roster payroll in the NL, unless David Wright makes it back into major league action this year

If Wright does come back,which is very unlikely...how does that effect the insurance policy they took out on him? I just don't see the doctors giving him the green light ...shoot,if the insurance/comp case goes off the books and he comes back for just a few games,won't the ownership have to pay him? I have no clue how that would work.

[Gugny]

8 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

If Wright does come back,which is very unlikely...how does that effect the insurance policy they took out on him? I just don't see the doctors giving him the green light ...shoot,if the insurance/comp case goes off the books and he comes back for just a few games,won't the ownership have to pay him? I have no clue how that would work.

 

Well, since the Wilpons are still at the helm, my guess is that this will work out in a way that has the Mets paying Wright for the next 25-30 years.

10 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

You got your guy, eh? Nice call.

 

On a completely unrelated note, here's another insult heaped on Mets fans this past weekend. The Todd Frazier replica pull-over giveaway didn't happen on Saturday night due to a quality control issue:

 

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2018/06/02/ny-mets-pull-fan-giveaway-because-quality-control-issue/666704002/

 

Instead, the first 15,000 fans got vouchers for the pull-over. And according to a co-worker they were giving out left-over Conforto jerseys from the night before and other t-shirts.

 

For the record I got the Conforto give-away on Friday and it is surprisingly nice. Might be the highest quality giveaway with the least intrusive advertising I've ever gotten.

 

My son and I are going to Thor Bobblehead night in August.

 

A couple years ago, we went to Syndergaarden Gnome day.  First 15,000 fans.  We were, it seemed, fans 15003 and 15004.  That sucked.

 

For a 7:10pm game, what time do you think we should get in line to get in?  The first 25,000 fans get the bobblehead and I don't want to miss out again.

[SinceThe70s]

27 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Well, since the Wilpons are still at the helm, my guess is that this will work out in a way that has the Mets paying Wright for the next 25-30 years.

 

My son and I are going to Thor Bobblehead night in August.

 

A couple years ago, we went to Syndergaarden Gnome day.  First 15,000 fans.  We were, it seemed, fans 15003 and 15004.  That sucked.

 

For a 7:10pm game, what time do you think we should get in line to get in?  The first 25,000 fans get the bobblehead and I don't want to miss out again.

 

Well if it we're out of the race you shouldn't have a problem. A half hour before game time should be way more than enough time. If we're in the mix maybe an hour to be on the safe side, but probably less is fine.

 

If you go in early the food lines won't be ridiculously long and you can also walk around and check out the park. You can get right up to the bullpen and watch the pitchers warm up, check out the Mets Hall Of Fame (or whatever they call it) and check out the view from different parts of the park. 

 

If you haven't done this already, another thing to do before you enter the park is find the home plate and base plaques for Shea out in the parking lot.

 

 

[Captain Murica]

10 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Well, since the Wilpons are still at the helm, my guess is that this will work out in a way that has the Mets paying Wright for the next 25-30 years.

 

My son and I are going to Thor Bobblehead night in August.

 

A couple years ago, we went to Syndergaarden Gnome day.  First 15,000 fans.  We were, it seemed, fans 15003 and 15004.  That sucked.

 

For a 7:10pm game, what time do you think we should get in line to get in?  The first 25,000 fans get the bobblehead and I don't want to miss out again.

I went to the Thor Bobblehead(First 15,000) game last year against the A's, we got there 3 hours before game time and got it with ease. But waiting in line for the gates to open is an absolute **** show. 

 

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2018/06/05/mets-trades-degrom-syndergaard-sandy-alderson/673229002/

 

Quote

The New York Mets stink right now.

They know it. All of New York knows it. And so does the architect who built the team.

Mets GM Sandy Alderson is the one who constructed this reeling mess, and despite the faulty wiring and building code violations, he isn’t ready to tear down his creation.

Not now.

Perhaps not ever.

At least not on his watch.

“Can circumstances change that, yes,’’ Alderson tells USA TODAY Sports, “but I think that would be very, very remote. It’s not something we’re even considering or talking about.’’

The Mets, who opened the season winning 11 of their first 12 games, have since gone 16-29, and are sitting in fourth place (27-30), seven games behind the surprising Atlanta Braves in the NL East. They have lost nine of their last 11 games, and after a two-game series beginning Tuesday night against the Baltimore Orioles at Citi Field, won’t play another sub-.500 team until the Marlins on June 29 - one month before the July 31 trade deadline.

There’s already speculation that if the Mets’ struggles continue, they may have to consider the possibility of gutting the team and starting over, which means shopping former All-Star pitchers Jacob DeGrom and Noah Syndergaard for a haul of prospects.

Sorry, but it’s not an option Alderson ever wants to consider - not as long as he’s running the show.

“Just because you tear it down,’’ Alderson said, “doesn’t mean you’re going to have a great rebuild. It doesn’t work that way. It just doesn’t.’’

Not everyone is going to strip down the franchise and automatically become the Houston Astros or Chicago Cubs. Or even the Atlanta Braves. It’s not that simple. Besides, there’s a whole lot of pain involved in any rebuild; the Astros lost 324 games over a three-year span, finishing a combined 127 games out of first place.

“I don’t know why it’s become so popular,’’ Alderson says, “maybe it’s the product of the extremist. In our culture, you’re either really good or you stink. There’s no reason to be caught in the middle. There’s virtue at the extreme.

“I just don’t see it that way.’’

In Alderson’s world, he sees a team that’s still hovering around .500 despite a bevy of injuries, a division that’s vulnerable, and even a league in which no one appears capable of running away and hiding.

“I think there can be a temporary loss of perspective because of where we are,’’ Alderson says. “Look at the possibilities when we get players back from injuries. Considering everything we’ve gone through, and all of the injuries, I think we’re fortunate.

“I’m as optimistic at this point of the season as I’ve been the last couple of years. We had challenges in 2016 and ended up in the playoffs. We had challenges last year, and didn’t overcome them. I think this year we’ll overcome them.’’

The Mets are expected to have Syndergaard back in the rotation Sunday against the Yankees. Third baseman Todd Frazier, who has been out since May 8, is scheduled to return Tuesday along with reliever Anthony Swarzak. And, the most important cog to their offense, Yoenis Cespedes, who has missed the last 20 games with a strained hip flexor, is expected to start taking batting practice this week.

The Mets know that a simple return to health isn’t an elixir. The Washington Nationals have had more injuries than anyone in the league, and they’re 33-25, just one game behind the Braves.

The Mets’ offense is a mess. They’ve scored just one run in the last 24 innings. They are hitting a major-league worst .203 with a .578 OPS against lefties. They have a .350 slugging percentage, second-worst in baseball. The Mets’ cleanup hitters have combined for two home runs all season. Right fielder Jay Bruce is hitting .222 with just three homers and 15 RBI. The bullpen is 1-7 and yielding a 7.94 ERA over the last 11 games. And they’ve been sloppy, prompting rookie manager Mickey Callaway to call a team meeting last weekend, saying, “We’re not playing the game the right way.”

They’re putting out fires these days literally and figuratively, with flames erupting last week in the rotunda near the stadium’s main entrance, the marketing department calling off the Frazier replica batting practice pullover giveaway because of a malfunction, and Callaway’s lineup card snafu last month that helped cost them a game against the Cincinnati Reds.

The Mets have six weeks to start playing better baseball, reinforcing Alderson’s optimism, and dispel any notion that trading deGrom and Syndergaard is the best path forward.

“I really believe we’ll start playing better,’’ Alderson said. “Our starting pitching has to get into a routine and lengthen out so we don’t have to endure a three or four-inning start on a fairly regular basis. That will allow us to your pen the way we like.

“If that happens, I think you’ll see improvement.’’

And, if not?

“We’ll make an evaluation then,’’ Alderson says. “Who knows what the future will bring? But I’m not thinking that way. I really believe we can turn this around.’’

Let the others have their tear-downs and rebuilds. Alderson, 70, doesn’t have the time or patience.

Now, it’s up to Mets to start winning to assure that the rest of the organization views it the same way.

 

Edited June 5, 2018 by Captain Murica

[Another Fan]

At this point the games are almost laughable.  It's insanity if there's not some kind of shake up on the horizon 

[Captain Murica]

4 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

At this point the games are almost laughable.  It's insanity if there's not some kind of shake up on the horizon 

 

It hasn't been this bad since like 2003-04. I'm really hoping the hitting coach or someone is fired. This cannot continue without any accountability. This was being preached all off season and yet they still continue to do the same thing over and over. I work in the mental health field and can clearly state someone is not taking their medications. 

 

We just lost to a team 24 games under .500 

[SinceThe70s]

7 runs in 5 games. At home.

[Captain Murica]

 

[Another Fan]

6 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

 

They should unload him.  He was a great pickup back in 15' and helped with the pennant run.  But as soon as things go south he seems to as well.  Can still I imagine get some prospects for him 

[Captain Murica]

8 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

They should unload him.  He was a great pickup back in 15' and helped with the pennant run.  But as soon as things go south he seems to as well.  Can still I imagine get some prospects for him 

 I agree, the highest paid player is usually the one everyone looks up to when it comes to baseball and the clubhouse. But this guy is no leader in the clubhouse or on the field. I'm over him. I wasn't 100% on re-signing him either. I understand why it was done as anyone can see how pathetic this team is without him, but that being said, they needed to sign better compliments for him. All they did was re-sign Bruce (yuck), 36 year old Agon, and used the option for Asdrubal. 

 

All the while Hosmer, Moustakas, and Cain were all out there. They could literally have Hosmer and Moustakas for the same amount of money Cespedes is making. I haven't been this low in a long time as a Mets fan, but its getting to the point I might just stop watching for a bit.

Edited June 6, 2018 by Captain Murica

[Gugny]

51 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

 

 

Reminds me of when Syndergaard refused to get an MRI.  The tail continues to wag the dog.  We have a weak GM and a weaker manager.  If we had good owners, they'd get rid of both their asses and scorch the !@#$ing earth, which is what's been necessary for the last three years.  Tear this **** show down.

[Another Fan]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2018/06/05/mets-trades-degrom-syndergaard-sandy-alderson/673229002/

 

Its the article Murcia attached above. See I as a fan are willing to go through a few years of rebuilding if a vision for the future is articulated.  At any rate sure as hell beats what's going on now

[Misterbluesky]

The boo birds are out. Cab leads off with a double and the "muscle" of the lineup couldn't move him.

[Captain Murica]

18 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

The boo birds are out. Cab leads off with a double and the "muscle" of the lineup couldn't move him.

 

Yeah, currently have the game streaming on my phone at my desk. None of them look comfortable at the plate. I remember Conforto had his best success at the lead off spot last year before his injury. I would like to see him and Nimmo 1 & 2 in the order. 

 

The only positive I can take from the Mets right now is that their starting pitching is more than solid from 1-4 excluding Vargas. 

[Misterbluesky]

11 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

 

Yeah, currently have the game streaming on my phone at my desk. None of them look comfortable at the plate. I remember Conforto had his best success at the lead off spot last year before his injury. I would like to see him and Nimmo 1 & 2 in the order. 

 

The only positive I can take from the Mets right now is that their starting pitching is more than solid from 1-4 excluding Vargas. 

On a positive note...wheeler is pitching without effort...it's a outing of pure beauty!

[Captain Murica]

Just now, Misterbluesky said:

On a positive note...wheeler is pitching without effort...it's a outing of pure beauty!

That last curve was nasty. 

[Misterbluesky]

Just now, Captain Murica said:

That last curve was nasty. 

Untouchable for sure!

 

[Misterbluesky]

Can't blame Fam for that run...dang stupid shift.

[Captain Murica]

Why is our best hitter bunting while being one run down? 

[Misterbluesky]

8 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

Why is our best hitter bunting while being one run down? 

I thought the same thing,another mistake by Callaway. I guess he's sticking to what he said after last night's game.

[Captain Murica]

Just now, Misterbluesky said:

I thought the same thing,another mistake by Callaway. I guess he's sticking to what he said after last night's game.

I get it, but don’t at the same time. He just doubled off the wall earlier this game. Give him a chance to drive one. 

[SinceThe70s]

7 runs in 6 games. At home. And if I got this right, 1 run in 35 innings.

 

This is bordering on when we had John Mayberry Jr. and his sub .200 batting average in the cleanup spot against Kershaw in 2015.

[Captain Murica]

1 minute ago, SinceThe70s said:

7 runs in 6 games. At home. And if I got this right, 1 run in 35 innings.

 

This is bordering on when we had John Mayberry Jr. and his sub .200 batting average in the cleanup spot against Kershaw in 2015.

Yup, they're is no end in sight for this team. I'm out for blood as a mets fan. Someone needs to be held accountable.