Kirby Jackson Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 On 2/21/2017 at 11:30 PM, FireChan said: The guy who catches the ball also accounts for the yards.I know (that's what I wrote)
GoBills808 Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 On 2/21/2017 at 11:22 PM, Kirby Jackson said: You have the wrong guy. You are preaching to the choir. Wins and losses belong to the team. We are in agreement. The NFL does track w/l for QBs though. That's not up for debate (right or wrong). I thought you had written that Taylor was average because the Bills are 15-14 when he plays QB.
jeffismagic Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) NFL teams yards after catch. Buffalo Bills 3rd last, only Houston and Tampa had a lower yards after catch/per reception. The two teams with the best RAC per play? Atlanta and New England who met in the Super Bowl. This is not about total times thrown, this shows that Tyrod is inefficient in delivering the ball so the receiver can make yardage. https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-yards-after-catch-statistics/2016/ Edited February 21, 2017 by jeffismagic
Gugny Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 On 2/21/2017 at 11:49 PM, jeffismagic said: NFL teams yards after catch. Buffalo Bills 3rd last, only Houston and Tampa had a lower yards after catch/per reception. The two teams with the best RAC per play? Atlanta and New England who met in the Super Bowl. This is not about total times thrown, this shows that Tyrod is inefficient in delivering the ball so the receiver can make yardage. https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-yards-after-catch-statistics/2016/ You take your facts and GET RIGHT OUT OF HERE, MISTER!!
John from Riverside Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/21/2017 at 11:49 PM, jeffismagic said: NFL teams yards after catch. Buffalo Bills 3rd last, only Houston and Tampa had a lower yards after catch/per reception. The two teams with the best RAC per play? Atlanta and New England who met in the Super Bowl. This is not about total times thrown, this shows that Tyrod is inefficient in delivering the ball so the receiver can make yardage. https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-yards-after-catch-statistics/2016/ and he was throwing to who?
FireChan Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/22/2017 at 12:11 AM, John from Hemet said: and he was throwing to who? TT was worse in 2015 at 31st in the NFL with a healthy Sammy!
Kirby Jackson Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/21/2017 at 11:43 PM, GoBills808 said: I thought you had written that Taylor was average because the Bills are 15-14 when he plays QB. I didn't write that Taylor was average BECAUSE the Bills were 15-14. I was just pointing out that the Bills are an average team with an average QB. He didn't elevate them or hold them back. Even if the record was 10-6 or 6-10 I'd still think he was average. The record didn't make that; it's more of an observation.
Dorkington Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 A big part of YAC is the routes... our play calling was heavy on outs. That being said, were they designed that way because our QB can't see the middle of the field/slant routes?
John from Riverside Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/22/2017 at 12:19 AM, FireChan said: TT was worse in 2015 at 31st in the NFL with a healthy Sammy! you mean in his first year starting?
Maury Ballstein Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/22/2017 at 12:11 AM, John from Hemet said: and he was throwing to who? On 2/22/2017 at 12:34 AM, John from Hemet said: you mean in his first year starting? Jfh theorem in effect. Anything Tyrod sucks at is someone else's fault Made man !
FireChan Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/22/2017 at 12:34 AM, John from Hemet said: you mean in his first year starting? So he sucked with good WR's, we can throw the bad WR excuse out. He sucked in his second year, so we can throw the rookie year excuse out.
GoBills808 Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/22/2017 at 12:29 AM, Kirby Jackson said: I didn't write that Taylor was average BECAUSE the Bills were 15-14. I was just pointing out that the Bills are an average team with an average QB. He didn't elevate them or hold them back. Even if the record was 10-6 or 6-10 I'd still think he was average. The record didn't make that; it's more of an observation. I agree with this. It's why I'm surprised at the amount of fans who seem overly concerned that Taylor walks. He's simply limited and IMO it's unlikely he progresses. I see no reason to pay for that when we have Jones in the wings and a possible rookie with upside through the draft. And personally I think our offense under Taylor is boring, borderline painful to watch at times. I guess I'm just ready to move on with the overhaul.
John from Riverside Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/22/2017 at 12:46 AM, FireChan said: So he sucked with good WR's, we can throw the bad WR excuse out. He sucked in his second year, so we can throw the rookie year excuse out. sucked his way right into the pro bowl and espns free agent aquisition of the year
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/21/2017 at 11:43 PM, GoBills808 said: I thought you had written that Taylor was average because the Bills are 15-14 when he plays QB. All can really be said about Tyrod's 2016 is "statistically average if you fully include rushing" Stats don't tell the story of missed easy opportunities though as we saw weekly on the A22. Repeated easy opportunities that were missed should have a very real impact on any reasonable evaluation. Knocking to below average at best. I'd also argue that balance is inherently better than being one dimensional, in terms of winning. In stat terms that would mean Tyrod's rushing yards are not as valuable as more passing yards would be Guy is not an average starting quarterback in terms of winning a Superbowl in my opinion. Sometimes we seem to get lost in the raw stats and forget some of the real world applications. I was on the Tyrod train until, at a time when he should have been galvanizing his men and leading them to comeback win, he was shown sitting on the bench staring into space with his eyes glazed over like there's somewhere else he would rather be. It is not a smart move to give this guy 20M a season I don't care what stats come out. He fits right in on the pantheon of esteemed quarterbacks I've had the pleasure of watching the last 20 years. 20M dude...its franchise QB money for a bridge QB product.
Dorkington Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/22/2017 at 12:46 AM, FireChan said: So he sucked with good WR's, we can throw the bad WR excuse out. He sucked in his second year, so we can throw the rookie year excuse out. Can you give us parameters for what determines if a QB 'sucks' or not?
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/21/2017 at 11:18 PM, jeffismagic said: Tyrod is a bridge QB. And the Bills would pay him 30+ million as a bridge to nowhere.Franchise QB money, bridge QB product
H2o Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 Tyrod is who he is. Numerous times have I stated my case about the guy. If they keep him that tells you what they think of the rest of the anticipated FA crop and guys in the draft.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) On 2/21/2017 at 11:49 PM, jeffismagic said: NFL teams yards after catch. Buffalo Bills 3rd last, only Houston and Tampa had a lower yards after catch/per reception. The two teams with the best RAC per play? Atlanta and New England who met in the Super Bowl. This is not about total times thrown, this shows that Tyrod is inefficient in delivering the ball so the receiver can make yardage. https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-yards-after-catch-statistics/2016/ Well damn, this metric and interpretation is rock solid. Aaron Rogers is middling, just a hair worse than Blake Bortles... AND Alex Smith is ELITE.... got it Edit: Tannyhill is also top shelf. Suck it Drew Brees you middling innaccurate dolt. Don't get me started on bottom third Luck Edited February 22, 2017 by Over 28 years of fanhood
John from Riverside Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/22/2017 at 12:59 AM, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: Franchise QB money, bridge QB product except its not franchise qb money On 2/22/2017 at 12:57 AM, Dorkington said: Can you give us parameters for what determines if a QB 'sucks' or not? passing yardage of couse
Maury Ballstein Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/22/2017 at 12:57 AM, Dorkington said: Can you give us parameters for what determines if a QB 'sucks' or not? 1-6 vs .500 teams with win coming vs 3rd stringer Jacoby Brissett is probably a good measure of suckitude.
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