Trump and Russia

[Deranged Rhino]

Another hard left source coming to see the light:

 

The Russian Hacking Story Continues to Unravel

 

 

 

This is a crucial point, so let’s rephrase that in simple English. What the author is saying is that: If Russia hacked the DNC computers, the NSA would know about it. It’s that simple.

But no one at the NSA has ever verified the claims or produced one scintilla of evidence that connects Russia to the emails. In fact, the NSA has never even suggested that such evidence exists. Nor has anyone in the media asked Director Michael Rogers point blank whether the NSA has hard evidence that Russia hacked the DNC servers?

Why? Why this conspiracy of silence on a matter that is so fundamental to the case that the NSA and the other Intel agencies are trying to make?

The only logical explanation is that there’s no proof that Russia was actually involved. Why else would the NSA withhold evidence on a matter this serious? It makes no sense.

 

 

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/14/the-russian-hacking-story-continues-to-unravel/

 

(source report in full: https://nef4rhc.wordpress.com/)

Edited September 14, 2017 by Deranged Rhino

[Tiberius]

Another hard left source coming to see the light:

 

The Russian Hacking Story Continues to Unravel

 

 

 

 

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/14/the-russian-hacking-story-continues-to-unravel/

 

(source report in full: https://nef4rhc.wordpress.com/)

A new report by a retired IT executive at IBM, debunks the claim that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential campaign by hacking Democratic computers and circulating damaging information about Hillary Clinton.

 

Was the executive named Tom, Dick or Harry?

[/dev/null]

Was the executive named Tom, Dick or Harry?

His name is Skip

 

But you would already know that if you had bothered to read the report rather than dismissing it because it does not reinforce your marching orders

[grinreaper]

His name is Skip

 

But you would already know that if you had bothered to read the report rather than dismissing it because it does not reinforce your marching orders

Marching orders? Since he can't go to the right, it's more like: to the left, left, left, left. Them's hopping orders.

[LeviF]

The date is Friday, September 15th 2017. The time is 8:55AM.

 

Donald Trump has been president for 237 days, 20 hours, and 8 minutes.

 

Still no impeachment or resignation.

Edited September 15, 2017 by LeviF91

[Koko78]

The date Friday, September 15th 2017. The time is 8:55AM.

 

Donald Trump has been president for 237 days, 20 hours, and 8 minutes.

 

Still no impeachment or resignation.

 

The world hasn't ended yet either. Quite disappointing. He should be impeached and Hillary somehow made Eternal President For Life.

[Tiberius]

The date is Friday, September 15th 2017. The time is 8:55AM.

 

Donald Trump has been president for 237 days, 20 hours, and 8 minutes.

 

Still no impeachment or resignation.

Thank God! Keep him in there the full four years. Best thing to happen for Democrats since the Great Depression!

[row_33]

Thank God! Keep him in there the full four years. Best thing to happen for Democrats since the Great Depression!

 

That's quite a frivolous comment if you like the Dems.

 

Extremely.

[Tiberius]

 

That's quite a frivolous comment if you like the Dems.

 

Extremely.

It's true though. Hey, if Republicans can benefit from terrorism, Democrats can benefit from bad Republican leadership

[grinreaper]

 

That's quite a frivolous comment if you like the Dems.

 

Extremely.

He thinks the Great Depression was funnier than Benghazi.

[Deranged Rhino]

A couple of gems from the newest report on the "hack": https://nef4rhc.wordpress.com/

 

Kinda what some have been saying since January when the report came out: Referencing the DNI/ICA

 

 

In that there is not a single statement of proof in the entire report, the following disclaimers from page 13, widely ignored, should have been up front on page 01.

“Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact. … Assessments are based on collected information, which is often incomplete or fragmentary, as well as logic, argumentation, and precedents.”

Relevant here: It was reported in some stories that the Latvian Security Service fed CIA Director Brennan the assertion that the former had someone close to Putin. That’s a foreign security service with its own anti-Russian axe. The degree to which the alleged Latvian report fed into the ICA is not known. It may possibly explain the NSA’s “moderate” (approx. 50%) rather than “high” confidence in the ICA finding “We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances … by discrediting… Clinton and publicly contrasting her… unfavorably to him.”

(Sources 22, 31) Related: First paragraph of “CROWDSTRIKE FUNDING …” below: Latvia (coincidentally?) is also one of the Atlantic Council’s anti-Russian supporters. Further, also listed as Atlantic Council supporter, Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, major contributor to Clinton Foundation, including when Mrs. Clinton was secretary of state, from the Victor Pinchuk Foundation, … .” This paragraph links both Latvia and Clinton back to preceding paragraph and NSA’s not agreeing to “high” confidence.

Unfortunately, this report really is an embarrassment to intelligence professionalism. The ICA comes across as a series of assertions, free of relevant substance. It also fails to include key disclosures. In addition, it relies upon alleged Russian historical ‘nature,’ what this or that person said once, etc. Further, It failed to follow ODNI mandated assessment procedures, and did not include full participation of any of the named agencies.

 

Then, more on the attempts to debunk the forensic evidence - all of which came up short of doing so:

 

 

 

The Forensicator conducted further extensive tests to re-affirm previous conclusions.

“ … that transfer rates of 23 MB/s (Mega Bytes per second) are not just highly unlikely, but effectively impossible to accomplish when communicating over the Internet at any significant distance. Further, local copy speeds are measured, demonstrating that 23 MB/s is a typical transfer rate when writing a USB-2 flash device (thumb drive). … In practice, actual transmission rates will fall well below the theoretical rates, … packets transmitted over the Internet have to transit many switches and must share bandwidth … copying multiple small files will increase the need for “hand-shaking” … further decreases the effective transmission speed. … distance traveled can have a major impact … accessing a host on the opposite coast cut the download speed by a factor of 7. … drop into the range of 1 MB/s to 2 MB/s when communicating through Romanian, Ukrainian, or Russian VPN servers.”

“In conclusion the performance data above strongly supports the original statement in the study: “A transfer rate of 23 MB/s is estimated for this initial file collection operation. This transfer rate can be achieved when files are copied over a LAN, but this rate is too fast to support the hypothesis that the DNC data was initially copied over the Internet (esp. to Romania).”

Adam Carter (Source 1) on Forensicator: “Forensicator’s ability to aggregate data, extrapolate datasets and produce further information on which new conclusions can be formed (such as working out transfer speeds, time zones used over time, timestamp resolution and the implications of each) was akin to someone having a key to unlock data that had previously been locked away due to apparent obscurity in isolation (The simplest example of this being that a single file timestamp tell us nothing about speeds of file transfers but an array of them, considered collectively, does).”

ISPS speed report of August 2016: speedtest.net – reports – united-states (See source 6 below)

US Fastest ISPS – Average speeds

Xfinity 125 Mb/s 15.6 MB/s

Cox 118 Mbs 14.7 MB/s

July 05 2016 transfer rate: 22.6 MB/s

“The largest contributions to this increase came in the month of June from XFINITY and Cox Communications with average download speeds of 132.08 Mbps [16.5 MB/s] and 162.14 Mbps, [20.25] respectively. The newly-created Spectrum … ending the same period with a combined 131.97 Mbps [16.5 MB/s].”

There were reportedly some higher peak speeds recorded, but none known to have reached the 22.6 MB/s transfer rate. In July 2016 Google fiber was implemented in Atlanta, as first for East timezone, but not by July 05, and not in Washington DC.

Some issues raised to attempt to refute the above findings are convoluted stretches, with multiple increased dependencies for any hacker to risk. It is always imperative to minimize dependencies, and convoluted stretches are not the way to go.

[Tiberius]

Russian money laundering puts Trump Tower meeting in a new light

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-15/russia-laundering-probe-puts-trump-tower-meeting-in-new-light

Several Democratic lawmakers looked at the Prevezon settlement in a new light two months later, when news emerged about the Veselnitskaya meeting in Trump Tower. In a letter, they asked whether the Russian lawyer, or members of the Trump team, may have put pressure on prosecutors in the matter. They also pointed out that Bharara, whose office opened the case, had been summarily fired by Trump as the case neared trial.

 

What wasn’t publicly known at the time was that federal prosecutors in Bharara’s old office were continuing a criminal probe into the laundering allegations.

[Deranged Rhino]

Here's an honest question for those who posted post after post about how if Russia was shown to have interfered in our election process it would be tantamount to an act of war (of which there were many posters echoing such thoughts between January and August):

 

Is it not an even more egregious violation of trust if one's own (unelected) intelligence officials seek to purposefully mislead its people with the intent of undermining and delegitimizing an incoming POTUS? Is that not worse than any outside actor meddling in our elections?

 

Because that's the reality we're in, whether you admit it or not.

 

The facts are becoming more clear by the day:

 

1) The hacking narrative has been proven, forensically, to have been false.

 

2) Evidence strongly suggests that the hacking "evidence" in the DNI/ICA was tampered with by someone either within the DNC/CrowdStrike or the USIC specifically to misinform the American public and undercut the incoming administration.

 

3) Directors Brennan and Clapper - both of whom have knowingly perjured themselves before the events of 2016 - both pushed a known lie onto the public, the media, and Congress, committing - again - perjury and numerous felonies in order to do so. Their goal was to neuter the incoming administration's ability to prosecute foreign policy as is their constitutional mandate.

 

4) Despite the hysteria and partisan bickering this lie has engendered, the motivations for this malfeasance was not political. It had nothing to do with left or right, Dem or Rep, but instead was motivated by the desire by some within the USIC to maintain our current state of perma-war and regime change and the cash flow both represent to various interests around the country and world.

 

I didn't vote for Trump, I'm not a republican. But what cannot be overlooked is that the man was fairly and legally elected by the people of the United States, in large part because of his promises (whether genuine or not) to end both the regime change addiction and perma-war state we've existed in for approaching two decades.

 

In other words, we have a clear motivation - and now clear evidence - that shows elements within the USIC deliberately interfered with our election process - not to stop a foreign power, but to stop the will of its own people in order to continue destabilizing the world for a profit...

 

... How can this not outrage Americans of all political stripes is beyond me. Have we truly gone so far down the partisan rabbit hole we're incapable of coming together as adults and looking at the reality dispassionately? Where's the outrage for being lied to, for being duped, for being intentionally misled (again) by elements of the USIC who clearly do not care about the will of the people or the constitution?

 

This story is no longer about politics. It's about whether or not we wish to live in a true democratic republic or if we just want to pretend we do. Ignoring one of the most dangerously un-American and un-democratic disinformation campaigns ever run by the USIC - this one aimed keeping its own people in the dark - will only speed up our own disenfranchisement.

 

They want you to ignore this. They want you to keep chasing ghosts and fake enemies instead of setting our sites on the real enemy of the American people:

 

 

Wake the hell up, people. And let them !@#$ing hear you.

Edited September 15, 2017 by Deranged Rhino

[Nanker]

Dan Rather wishes he had a thumb drive to download all the files on W that he knew were on the Texas Air National Guard's servers.

Edited September 16, 2017 by Nanker

[ALF]

Facebook uncovers 'Russian-funded' misinformation campaign

Facebook says it has discovered a Russian-funded campaign to promote divisive social and political messages on its network.

The company says $100,000 (£77,000) was spent on about 3,000 ads over a two-year period, ending in May 2017.

It is handing over its evidence to special prosecutor Robert Mueller, who is overseeing an inquiry into alleged Russian interference in last year's US presidential election.

“The ads and accounts appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum,” the company said in a blog post published on Wednesday.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41182519

I do think Trump won thru the electoral college but on promises not possible to keep.

[grinreaper]

 

Facebook uncovers 'Russian-funded' misinformation campaign

Facebook says it has discovered a Russian-funded campaign to promote divisive social and political messages on its network.

The company says $100,000 (£77,000) was spent on about 3,000 ads over a two-year period, ending in May 2017.

It is handing over its evidence to special prosecutor Robert Mueller, who is overseeing an inquiry into alleged Russian interference in last year's US presidential election.

“The ads and accounts appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum,” the company said in a blog post published on Wednesday.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41182519

I do think Trump won thru the electoral college but on promises not possible to keep.

 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+seas+will+stop+rising+obama&&view=detail&mid=F8E8DBD4C6563931AD7EF8E8DBD4C6563931AD7E&rvsmid=6132CFD3CAA4A68959B96132CFD3CAA4A68959B9&FORM=VDQVAP

 

This makes me want to defriend Russia.

Edited September 16, 2017 by grinreaper

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Facebook uncovers 'Russian-funded' misinformation campaign

Facebook says it has discovered a Russian-funded campaign to promote divisive social and political messages on its network.

The company says $100,000 (£77,000) was spent on about 3,000 ads over a two-year period, ending in May 2017.

It is handing over its evidence to special prosecutor Robert Mueller, who is overseeing an inquiry into alleged Russian interference in last year's US presidential election.

“The ads and accounts appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum,” the company said in a blog post published on Wednesday.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41182519

I do think Trump won thru the electoral college but on promises not possible to keep.

 

 

Just a reminder (not aimed at anyone specifically):

 

This story, and all stories about Russian "fake news bots" is an attempt to shift the narrative to something wholly different than what was being claimed just several weeks ago. Russian authors, FSB proxies or whoever utilizing our own freedom of speech and press "against" us is nothing new and is NOT a threat to our democracy or our electoral process. To suggest otherwise is to side with those who wish to strip away our first amendment rights in order to "protect us". Don't fall for it.

 

The story pushed by the USIC at the outset had little, if anything, to do with Facebook and fake news stories. The claim was made that Russia "hacked" servers and election infrastructure and colluded directly with Trump to "fix" the election.

 

That narrative, of course, has been shown to be absolute bunk. Don't let them change the story. Shifting focus to fake-news bots is going to bite every left leaning person on this board (assuming they care about civil liberties) right in the ass when you're suddenly forced to contemplate restrictions in free speech and press in order to combat "fake news" - a scourge that's existed since Gutenberg first made his printing press.

[4merper4mer]

Just a reminder (not aimed at anyone specifically):

 

This story, and all stories about Russian "fake news bots" is an attempt to shift the narrative to something wholly different than what was being claimed just several weeks ago. Russian authors, FSB proxies or whoever utilizing our own freedom of speech and press "against" us is nothing new and is NOT a threat to our democracy or our electoral process. To suggest otherwise is to side with those who wish to strip away our first amendment rights in order to "protect us". Don't fall for it.

 

The story pushed by the USIC at the outset had little, if anything, to do with Facebook and fake news stories. The claim was made that Russia "hacked" servers and election infrastructure and colluded directly with Trump to "fix" the election.

 

That narrative, of course, has been shown to be absolute bunk. Don't let them change the story. Shifting focus to fake-news bots is going to bite every left leaning person on this board (assuming they care about civil liberties) right in the ass when you're suddenly forced to contemplate restrictions in free speech and press in order to combat "fake news" - a scourge that's existed since Gutenberg first made his printing press.

 

Not to sidetrack but Gutenberg was a phony. He didn't invent that any more than his nephew deserved an Oscar for three men and a baby.

[Nanker]

Not to sidetrack but Gutenberg was a phony. He didn't invent that any more than his nephew deserved an Oscar for three men and a baby.

 

True. The real genius was Aldus Manutius. He printed porn, which along with the low cost of "mass produced" books (compared to the traditional scribed-by-hand books) drove up the demand to learn how to read exponentially. He made money. Gutenberg died a pauper.

[Deranged Rhino]

Not to sidetrack but Gutenberg was a phony. He didn't invent that any more than his nephew deserved an Oscar for three men and a baby.