Tiberius Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I'm just getting done with a spat of morning calls re the new indictments in the Flynn matter so I have to read this still. Expectations, based on its origin from the SSCI (the swampiest committee on the Hill, home of the Wolfe business) I anticipate it to be largely overblown if not outright fiction. Will report back when I read in full Sounds like you have already made up your mind to try and discredit the fact Putin was/is helping Trump. Why would you do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Sounds like you have already made up your mind to try and discredit the fact Putin was/is helping Trump. Why would you do that? Ya know, I’d love to criticize Trump for all this but I believe in fair treatment. The Clinton Foundation was a pay-to-play organization that was illegally influencing American politics for years and the justice department turned a blind eye or actively assisted. As such, I don’t care if there’s any truth to the Putin rumors. Further, Trump did NOT win because of Putin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, The_Dude said: Ya know, I’d love to criticize Trump for all this but I believe in fair treatment. The Clinton Foundation was a pay-to-play organization that was illegally influencing American politics for years and the justice department turned a blind eye or actively assisted. As such, I don’t care if there’s any truth to the Putin rumors. Further, Trump did NOT win because of Putin. You don't know if Trump won because of Putin. Why would you even say that? The real question is why Putin helped is helping him? Your "Whataboutism" on Clinton foundation is silly. You hit a "whataboutism, a distracting question and an unprovable fact all in one post!! Nice job, you Trump lover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Sounds like you have already made up your mind to try and discredit the fact Putin was/is helping Trump. Why would you do that? The evidence has already shown this to be the case. I just follow the evidence. If that position changes when I read this report, I'll let you know. But based on its origin and how up to their elbows they all are in the palace coup attempt, I'm not going to hold my breath. Just now, Tiberius said: You don't know if Trump won because of Putin. Why would you even say that? The real question is why Putin helped is helping him? Your "Whataboutism" on Clinton foundation is silly. You hit a "whataboutism, a distracting question and an unprovable fact all in one post!! Nice job, you Trump lover. It's not whataboutism when Clinton was directly paying a foreign intelligence officer to gather dirt from Russian/Putin sources. It's apples to apples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Your "Whataboutism" on Clinton foundation is silly. You hit a "whataboutism, a distracting question and an unprovable fact all in one post!! Nice job, you Trump lover. Its not silly you jackwagon. It’s quite right to be concerned that the justice department is a 5th column of the Democrats. That’s way more concerning to me than Russians posting memes on Facebook, and Trump paying off whores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 41 minutes ago, GG said: What's so hard to comprehend? A real report was delivered to the Senate Intel Committee, and was conveniently leaked to WaPo. Are you disputing that the existence of the report itself is fiction? The leak is where I take issue with the bend of the narrative. Knowing a leaked report would spurn a dishonest article the leaker created disinformation from an actual report to down play any possibility of it being taken serious. This makes it more palatable to those who want to believe in "muh Russian collusion" and continues to serve Putin's agenda which was actually division of the country as the Trump fanboys just see this article as more proof of dishonesty and evidence a swamp exists with the SSIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Quote Ken DilanianVerified account @KenDilanianNBC FollowFollow @KenDilanianNBC The Russians set up 30 Facebook pages targeting the black community and 10 Youtube channels that posted 571 videos related to police violence against African-Americans. YouTube was wrong when it said last year that Russian content did not target a segment of U.S. society. . So the Russians used liberal talking points? ..............................COLLUSION . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, B-Man said: . So the Russians used liberal talking points? ..............................COLLUSION . Added bonus, it comes from Fusion Ken, aka CIA Ken, aka the guy who runs his stories past his handlers in Langley before publishing, aka the guy who was on Fusion GPS's payroll... The fact Ken still has a job in any serious media outlet is pretty amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Its not silly you jackwagon. It’s quite right to be concerned that the justice department is a 5th column of the Democrats. That’s way more concerning to me than Russians posting memes on Facebook, and Trump paying off whores. Oh! So why is Putin helping Trump? And why are so many Trumptards trying to distort this relationship? America haters? 34 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: The evidence has already shown this to be the case. I just follow the evidence. If that position changes when I read this report, I'll let you know. But based on its origin and how up to their elbows they all are in the palace coup attempt, I'm not going to hold my breath. It's not whataboutism when Clinton was directly paying a foreign intelligence officer to gather dirt from Russian/Putin sources. It's apples to apples. This isn't about Clinton. At all. This story here has nothing to do with the Steel Dossier--which is still 100% spot on, right? Nothings been proven wrong yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: This isn't about Clinton. At all. This story here has nothing to do with the Steel Dossier--which is still 100% spot on, right? Nothings been proven wrong yet Nothing has been proven correct in the Steele Dossier... Other than there is indeed a man named Donald Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c15302ee4b05d7e5d827572/amp?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001 Yeah, HuffPost, but pretty straightforward when it come to Constitutional questions. Guess what Guys (& Gals)... Thus, when Trump and his supporters claim “collusion” is not a “crime” under U.S. law, it’s largely irrelevant, whether it’s true or not. A presidential campaign conspiring with a foreign power that interferes on its behalf in an election rises to the level of impeachment if the Congress says it does. A Laundry List Of Charges Even if Trump isn’t shown to have conspired with Russia on election interference, his repeated lies to the American people about his connections to the Kremlin while he worked with Russia on a personal business project, the Trump Tower Moscow, well into the campaign, could rightly be viewed as an impeachable offense. And even before the Cohen filings made the timeline of that deal clear, Trump’s calls for better relations with the Russian government, including lifting sanctions and changing American policy in Ukraine, could be viewed as an impeachable case of putting his own selfish interests before the United States’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 So now it's, "Russian collusion never happened, no conspiracy happened to tilt the election... but we're going to keep going after him anyway because we were promised a scalp." So sad, Exiled. Why focus on facts and evidence when you can spread brainless conjecture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: So now it's, "Russian collusion never happened, no conspiracy happened to tilt the election... but we're going to keep going after him anyway because we were promised a scalp." So sad, Exiled. Why focus on facts and evidence when you can spread brainless conjecture. No. It happened. Why are you so hell bent on protecting corrupt demagogue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: No. It happened. You have no evidence to support this position, yet you believe it fully. That used to be called being a "conspiracy theorist" - where you fully believe in something despite the complete absence of evidence, and ignore any information that runs counter to your belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You have no evidence to support this position, yet you believe it fully. That used to be called being a "conspiracy theorist" - where you fully believe in something despite the complete absence of evidence, and ignore any information that runs counter to your belief. Sort of like God. There are only 3 things to believe: God, Mama, and Muh Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: No. It happened. Why are you so hell bent on protecting corrupt demagogue? Trump is NOT a demagogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Trump is NOT a demagogue. Of course he is. A coarse one, as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Has anybody noticed how many of the people (different people) on the PPP echo chamber are fighting me since I came to visit here? It's because it's an echo chamber here. That's what happens in echo chambers. It's like 2002-2003 before the ramp up to war. Everybody here was so sure the war was the right thing. And if they didn't believe it was right, they tacitly went over the cliff with the other lemmings in the echo chamber. What was my position. That you all were being snowed. You are being snowed again to believe things are a "witch hunt." I am not saying trust everything the government is spewing. At least have a moral compass. You are watching checks and balances eviserate a dangerous authoritarian. Honestly... The man is corrupt and unfit. Simply remove him and move on. Admit, He's the wrong answer for America. We can just agree to disagree on the minutia. You won't see a corrupt businessman engaging in collusion, currying favor... I will. Leave it at that. Put down the entrenchment tool. It's best for all. 2 minutes ago, GG said: Of course he is. A coarse one, as well. Thanks... I know we disagree Glenn... But don't go off the cliff with the other's. I will try and check myself from my inherent Left leanings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Or the simpler explanation that there are a lot of newbies here who've never engaged with the Riddler? They quickly learn. 3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Thanks... I know we disagree Glenn... But don't go off the cliff with the other's. I will try and check myself from my inherent Left leanings. Trump being a demagogue doesn't validate your points at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, GG said: Of course he is. A coarse one, as well. No. No he’s not. He’s genuine. Hillary is a demagogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, The_Dude said: No. No he’s not. He’s genuine. Hillary is a demagogue. At least you're consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: You are watching checks and balances eviserate a dangerous authoritarian. Honestly... The man is corrupt and unfit. Simply remove him and move on. Admit, He's the wrong answer for America. Hilarious you talk about echo chambers then say this - of which there is no evidence to support any of it. Dangerous authoritarians work to consolidate their power. Trump has worked to decentralize federal power. You're wrong. And spewing emotional talking points that align with your chosen echo chamber. Sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, GG said: At least you're consistent. Note im not defending Trump. I’m arguing your definition of the word. Trump is genuine. Hitler was genuine. FDR was more of a demagogue than Hitler — but clearly I’m an FDR fan whereas I am not a Hitler fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, The_Dude said: Note im not defending Trump. I’m arguing your definition of the word. Trump is genuine. Hitler was genuine. FDR was more of a demagogue than Hitler — but clearly I’m an FDR fan whereas I am not a Hitler fan. First definition that Googlebot brings up is a perfect definition of Trump (and most other populists) a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 And yet... the story lives on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swill Merchant Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: You don't know if Trump won because of Putin. Why would you even say that? The real question is why Putin helped is helping him? Your "Whataboutism" on Clinton foundation is silly. You hit a "whataboutism, a distracting question and an unprovable fact all in one post!! Nice job, you Trump lover. "Whataboutism" is the left's new favorite word. It means you have effectively pointed out that they are completely full of sh!t and they have no answer for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Swill Merchant said: "Whataboutism" is the left's new favorite word. It means you have effectively pointed out that they are completely full of sh!t and they have no answer for it. No, it's just a simple minded attempt to change the subject. Trump being compromised by murderer Putin has nothing at all to do with the person Conservatives have been conditioned to have an emotional reaction to, namely Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, Tiberius said: No, it's just a simple minded attempt to change the subject. Trump being compromised by murderer Putin has nothing at all to do with the person Conservatives have been conditioned to have an emotional reaction to, namely Hillary. It does when the claims (without evidence) of said compromise originates from political opposition research paid for by Clinton and which relied upon Putin's intelligence officers feeding a middle man dirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Hilarious you talk about echo chambers then say this - of which there is no evidence to support any of it. Dangerous authoritarians work to consolidate their power. Trump has worked to decentralize federal power. You're wrong. And spewing emotional talking points that align with your chosen echo chamber. Sad. Not HIS federal power. You're off your rocker. If Trump was so hell bent on doing what you say, he'd respect the checks and balances built into the Constitution. Trump is Tito in Yugoslavia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It does when the claims (without evidence) of said compromise originates from political opposition research paid for by Clinton and which relied upon Putin's intelligence officers feeding a middle man dirt. The Senate report was bipartisan and you keep claiming all this bias about Trump's Russia problems, but no one made him tell all those lies. Why did Trump lie so much about Russia? Why is Putin helping Trump? Why would he do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: If Trump was so hell bent on doing what you say, he'd respect the checks and balances built into the Constitution. How is he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DC Tom said: How is he not? Donald J. Trump✔@realDonaldTrump: "Remember, Michael Cohen only became a “Rat” after the FBI did something which was absolutely unthinkable & unheard of until the Witch Hunt was illegally started. They BROKE INTO AN ATTORNEY’S OFFICE! Why didn’t they break into the DNC to get the Server, or Crooked’s office?" Andy McCarthy✔@AndrewCMcCarthy: "Sir, in mobster lingo, a ‘rat’ is a witness who tells prosecutors real incriminating info. Perhaps a different word? Searches of lawyer’s offices common enough that DOJ has a procedure for them. Here it yielded evidence of crimes you said he should be jailed for. You should stop." Edited December 17, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Not HIS federal power. Yes. His federal power has been greatly decentralized in his first two years from where Obama left it. Your theory is wrong on every level, including the lack of evidence to support it. Authoritarian dictators do not give up their power, they strengthen it. And there's zero evidence to support treason/collusion/or that he's a dictator in waiting. You're pushing a baseless conspiracy theory because you've been brainwashed by known liars and perjurers into believing that anyone who dares to think differently from the establishment DC foreign policy agenda must never be allowed to hold power... that's what this has always been about, and your failure to understand that is why you're so lost on this subject. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 38 minutes ago, GG said: First definition that Googlebot brings up is a perfect definition of Trump (and most other populists) a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument. The bolded is why I claim he's not. I mean he lost the popular vote due to his ideas. Many of his ideas are NOT popular which is why he receives the constant backlash. But, I concede that the man NEVER uses a rational argument. But I think it's because he's incapable of such a thing. Listening to him talk is like watching a squirrel cross the road. Ya never can follow or guess his direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Yes. His federal power has been greatly decentralized in his first two years from where Obama left it. Your theory is wrong on every level, including the lack of evidence to support it. Authoritarian dictators do not give up their power, they strengthen it. And there's zero evidence to support treason/collusion/or that he's a dictator in waiting. You're pushing a baseless conspiracy theory because you've been brainwashed by known liars and perjurers into believing that anyone who dares to think differently from the establishment DC foreign policy agenda must never be allowed to hold power... that's what this has always been about, and your failure to understand that is why you're so lost on this subject. LoL... A conspiracy theorist is calling me a conspiracy theorist... Thanks... It's time for me to step away from the podium. Step away very slowly and carefully. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: LoL... A conspiracy theorist is calling me a conspiracy theorist... Thanks... It's time for me to step away from the podium. Step away very slowly and carefully. ? Show me evidence of collusion. If you have none, which you don't because none exists, you are a "conspiracy theorist" - blindly believing a story told to you by others with zero evidence, and completely unwilling or unable to engage with any evidence that runs counter to your preformed conclusions. All you're proving is that you're uninformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: And there's zero evidence to support treason/collusion/or that he's a dictator in waiting. All the lies? That's evidence. Always has been and always will be. How are lies not evidence of wrong doing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Show me evidence of collusion. If you have none, which you don't because none exists, you are a "conspiracy theorist" - blindly believing a story told to you by others with zero evidence, and completely unwilling or unable to engage with any evidence that runs counter to your preformed conclusions. All you're proving is that you're uninformed. So you the earth is round too? You a flat earther? How the hell am I going to get evidence. We will have to wait for the Mueller Report. But you have the inside story. Slow down grasshopper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Donald J. Trump✔@realDonaldTrump: "Remember, Michael Cohen only became a “Rat” after the FBI did something which was absolutely unthinkable & unheard of until the Witch Hunt was illegally started. They BROKE INTO AN ATTORNEY’S OFFICE! Why didn’t they break into the DNC to get the Server, or Crooked’s office?" Andy McCarthy✔@AndrewCMcCarthy: "Sir, in mobster lingo, a ‘rat’ is a witness who tells prosecutors real incriminating info. Perhaps a different word? Searches of lawyer’s offices common enough that DOJ has a procedure for them. Here it yielded evidence of crimes you said he should be jailed for. You should stop." McCarthy's tweet represents neither a check nor a balance on the presidency. Nor does the FBI raiding Cohen's office. Try again. Use the big hint I just gave you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: All the lies? That's evidence. Always has been and always will be. How are lies not evidence of wrong doing? Greggy wants to see that the earth is round. How about we launch him into space! /smh Just now, DC Tom said: McCarthy's tweet represents neither a check nor a balance on the presidency. Nor does the FBI raiding Cohen's office. Try again. Use the big hint I just gave you... Stop being purposely obtuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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