YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Per Carucci... @viccarucci #Bills' brass began meeting during Super Bowl Week to determine Tyrod Taylor's future. http://buffalonews.com/2017/02/08/bills-brass-met-since-last-week-decide-taylors-future/ Edited February 8, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Duh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re enlightener Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Duh? great post, best of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 great post, best of the year.Yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Do the right thing Dougie McDermott. Edited February 8, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Excuse my ignorance if this has already been covered, but if they have decided to move on from Tyrod, what would need to happen for them to trade him. It seems as though there at least a few interested "suitors." Is this even a possibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Do the right thing Dougie McDermott. yes he should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 There is absolutely no new information in that article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 Well I really thought it was going to be up to Whaley... I knew the coaches would have a "say" but not the ultimate decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Vic loses credibility here: "In fact, there was a push for rookie quarterback Cardale Jones to supplant Taylor as the starter for the final three or four games of the season, even though the Bills had yet to be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Coach Rex Ryan and offensive coordinator Anthony Lynn were said to have pushed back hard enough for Taylor to remain in the No. 1 role." He is saying that Whaley pushed to have Cardale start the last 3 or 4 games. Yet, when Whaley was asked about it after the Jet's game in his press conference, Whaley said that if the Bills were still in the playoff hunt, then Tyrod would have started against the Jets. That pretty much contradicts what Vic is suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Vic loses credibility here: "In fact, there was a push for rookie quarterback Cardale Jones to supplant Taylor as the starter for the final three or four games of the season, even though the Bills had yet to be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Coach Rex Ryan and offensive coordinator Anthony Lynn were said to have pushed back hard enough for Taylor to remain in the No. 1 role." He is saying that Whaley pushed to have Cardale start the last 3 or 4 games. Yet, when Whaley was asked about it after the Jet's game in his press conference, Whaley said that if the Bills were still in the playoff hunt, then Tyrod would have started against the Jets. That pretty much contradicts what Vic is suggesting. Whaley said that they had no plans to trade SJ13. Days before he traded SJ13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Whaley said that they had no plans to trade SJ13. Days before he traded SJ13. What reason would he have to lie about Tyrod starting in that game though? It's not like it would be hiding something. And if I recall correctly it wasn't a direct question either. It was volunteered information from Whaley to explain what his position was about Tyrod. He would have no reason to lie there regardless of his position on Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanInJax Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 The Bills aren't going anywhere next year. Let TT go. Give the ball to Clipboard Jones. and move up the draft board. Rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Vic loses credibility here: "In fact, there was a push for rookie quarterback Cardale Jones to supplant Taylor as the starter for the final three or four games of the season, even though the Bills had yet to be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Coach Rex Ryan and offensive coordinator Anthony Lynn were said to have pushed back hard enough for Taylor to remain in the No. 1 role." He is saying that Whaley pushed to have Cardale start the last 3 or 4 games. Yet, when Whaley was asked about it after the Jet's game in his press conference, Whaley said that if the Bills were still in the playoff hunt, then Tyrod would have started against the Jets. That pretty much contradicts what Vic is suggesting. Also, EJ starting the last game. If they were pushing for Cardale to start before then, he would've started the last game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 Also, EJ starting the last game. If they were pushing for Cardale to start before then, he would've started the last game.good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Vic loses credibility here: "In fact, there was a push for rookie quarterback Cardale Jones to supplant Taylor as the starter for the final three or four games of the season, even though the Bills had yet to be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Coach Rex Ryan and offensive coordinator Anthony Lynn were said to have pushed back hard enough for Taylor to remain in the No. 1 role." He is saying that Whaley pushed to have Cardale start the last 3 or 4 games. Yet, when Whaley was asked about it after the Jet's game in his press conference, Whaley said that if the Bills were still in the playoff hunt, then Tyrod would have started against the Jets. That pretty much contradicts what Vic is suggesting. No it doesn't. It suggests that he may have lost the argument. He can push and not win, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 What reason would he have to lie about Tyrod starting in that game though? It's not like it would be hiding something. And if I recall correctly it wasn't a direct question either. It was volunteered information from Whaley to explain what his position was about Tyrod. He would have no reason to lie there regardless of his position on Tyrod. It could be as simple as the owners telling him what to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) No it doesn't. It suggests that he may have lost the argument. He can push and not win, you know. Obviously. The point was that in his press conference after the season ending Jets game, Whaley explained to the press that Tyrod would have been the starter against the Jets if winning the game mattered. If he didn't want Tyrod in there the last 3-4 games of the season when the Bills were technically still in the hunt, why in the world would he explain how he would have started Tyrod in the last game if they were still in the hunt. It is a direct contradiction of what Vic is saying. Also, EJ starting the last game. If they were pushing for Cardale to start before then, he would've started the last game. More evidence. Just doesn't make sense the way Vic is spinning it. Or perhaps that was Whaley's opinion (but only temporarily) at one point during the season. And Whaley ultimately changed his mind more in favor of Tyrod before playing the final Jets game. Edited February 8, 2017 by PolishDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Excuse my ignorance if this has already been covered, but if they have decided to move on from Tyrod, what would need to happen for them to trade him. It seems as though there at least a few interested "suitors." Is this even a possibility? Not really. It's been covered several times. To trade him, the Bills would have to pick up his option, which involves a $15.5M option bonus currently spread over 5 years but which would accelerate into the 2017 cap if he's traded. That's a lot of dead cap hit. What reason would he have to lie about Tyrod starting in that game though? It's not like it would be hiding something. And if I recall correctly it wasn't a direct question either. It was volunteered information from Whaley to explain what his position was about Tyrod. He would have no reason to lie there regardless of his position on Tyrod. It's all a giant conspiracy! If we take a lot of the media leaks at face value, Whaley and Pegula are serial liars again and again - about the timing of the decision to fire Rex, about whether or not Tyrod's fate is still undecided, whether there was an ultimatum "playoffs or fired", whether there was a "fix" to hire Lynn and the coach search was a sham, on and on. And then they've reversed course again and again, since different stuff happened. Or, if we take what they say at more or less face value, what they say and what actually happens correspond pretty well (but it's all much more boring and banal!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Not really. It's been covered several times. To trade him, the Bills would have to pick up his option, which involves a $15.5M option bonus currently spread over 5 years but which would accelerate into the 2017 cap if he's traded. That's a lot of dead cap hit. I know it was covered in a bunch of threads, but there was also a lot of misinformation being posted. Tyrod is already under contract through 2017. His contract isn't up until 2018. Some people think his contract expires this year and he becomes a free agent. It doesn't. And he doesn't. The option is to extend him 2018 through 2021. And by doing so, it lowers his 2017 base salary and spreads out his bonus money over those years instead of giving him the $30 million all in 2017 which is what will happen if they don't trade him, release him or renegotiate by March 11th. The Bills can trade him any time after March 9th at 4PM. So they can trade him without picking up the contract if they trade him between March 9th and March 11th. Or if they were going to eat that whole $30 million or whatever it was, (which they won't do because of this year's cap) then they could trade him at any point in 2017 up to the trade deadline of November 1st 2017. Here are their options: The structure of Taylor's contract leaves the Bills with four choices: Exercise his option by March 11 for the 2018-21 seasons, reducing his 2017 cap number from about $29 million to $15.913 million. Decline to exercise his option but keep Taylor on the roster past March 12 at a fully-guaranteed salary and cap number of about $29 million. Release Taylor prior to March 11, carrying about a $3 million dead-money hit against the 2017 cap but opening significant cap space. Renegotiate Taylor's contract prior to March 11. Information found here. Edited February 8, 2017 by PolishDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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