Deranged Rhino Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Should the oil be transported by rail, truck, or magic...? You know, since pipelines are apparently evil now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 @3rdnlng I didn't want to copy all what was posted by quoting, so... First, posting a defense using Breitbart is like me using MSNBC or Krugman. The first response is always "consider the source." That said... As the Politifact article said, WHO adopted the German protocol on Jan 17, but the US decided to develop their own which became available Jan 28th. Certainly our choice, but one delay. Then, the issue you noted about the failure with its test. Regardless, for many different reasons, testing was too slow to be implemented which led to the inability to control the outbreak by mitigation. In fact, we still are not testing enough. Erie county said they no longer have the ability to test. Incredible. I'm not sure why..? My main issue throughout has been Trump not taking it seriously enough, and seeming to be more concerned about the economy and stock market. I posted that video of him at the CDC talking about bringing the cruise ship in to SF and his comments about higher numbers being bad. You guys responded that's just they way he talks or something to that effect. throughout this time, many in the administration were singing the same tune, saying it was being contained (Kudlow and others). Even Trump was saying it was under control. It was not until the stock market took its first huge drop that he started to focus more. He gave his address to the nation, which created more confusion than confidence. At Sunday night's presser, he came out all giddy talking about the Fed's rate cut to zero, and saying "Wall Street would be very happy." They weren't. Investors aren't stupid. They recognized the lack of focus. Finally, after Monday's near-record breaking drop, he was slapped in the face with reality. Starting at Monday's afternoon presser anyone not biased could see he changed his tone and focus. As I mentioned, I really liked what I saw from him at Tuesday's presser. Haven't seen much in the past two days because I've been a bit busy. I try, and have, given trump credit when it's due. I don't know that many of you can say that you've ever criticized him for anything. As I also said from the beginning, showing leadership on this from the start would compensate for any impact on the economy. I don't think he did, but I also think the Dem leadership has been so bad that he can overcome that poor start. The only person who can stop him, is himself.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Koko78 said: Should the oil be transported by rail, truck, or magic...? You know, since pipelines are apparently evil now. They should use empty plastic water bottles. That would be a good use of them. Let's see. A barrel of oil is 42 gallons. So 77 million barrels is roughly 3,234,000,000 gallons. Tanker ships can haul between 310,000 and 550,000 barrels of oil. So we're looking at about 150 + large tankers worth of oil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 29 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Posted earlier but: Owned. By. China. Not our friends. So it looks like they were relying on evidence from China, not their own analysis? Regardless, according to the various articles posted, WHO was offering the German protocol for testing on Jan 17, which we opted not to adopt. Developing our own which became available Jan 28. Time and testing are critical to mitigation efforts. We failed at both, which puts us where we are... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 50 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Tibs Do you have a solar array on your house? I do, and have for years. no, he doesn't. all he's got is, 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Foxx said: no, he doesn't. all he's got is, I'm sure he's waiting for someone else to pay for it....like a good little Socialist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, TPS said: So it looks like they were relying on evidence from China, not their own analysis? Regardless, according to the various articles posted, WHO was offering the German protocol for testing on Jan 17, which we opted not to adopt. Developing our own which became available Jan 28. Time and testing are critical to mitigation efforts. We failed at both, which puts us where we are... They pushed blatantly untrue information as fact, and cost the world weeks. Add that to their faulty tests and the WHO is clearly either not a reliable institution or purposefully care more about appeasing the CCP than their actual stated mission. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, TPS said: @3rdnlng I didn't want to copy all what was posted by quoting, so... First, posting a defense using Breitbart is like me using MSNBC or Krugman. The first response is always "consider the source." That said... As the Politifact article said, WHO adopted the German protocol on Jan 17, but the US decided to develop their own which became available Jan 28th. Certainly our choice, but one delay. Then, the issue you noted about the failure with its test. Regardless, for many different reasons, testing was too slow to be implemented which led to the inability to control the outbreak by mitigation. In fact, we still are not testing enough. Erie county said they no longer have the ability to test. Incredible. I'm not sure why..? My main issue throughout has been Trump not taking it seriously enough, and seeming to be more concerned about the economy and stock market. I posted that video of him at the CDC talking about bringing the cruise ship in to SF and his comments about higher numbers being bad. You guys responded that's just they way he talks or something to that effect. throughout this time, many in the administration were singing the same tune, saying it was being contained (Kudlow and others). Even Trump was saying it was under control. It was not until the stock market took its first huge drop that he started to focus more. He gave his address to the nation, which created more confusion than confidence. At Sunday night's presser, he came out all giddy talking about the Fed's rate cut to zero, and saying "Wall Street would be very happy." They weren't. Investors aren't stupid. They recognized the lack of focus. Finally, after Monday's near-record breaking drop, he was slapped in the face with reality. Starting at Monday's afternoon presser anyone not biased could see he changed his tone and focus. As I mentioned, I really liked what I saw from him at Tuesday's presser. Haven't seen much in the past two days because I've been a bit busy. I try, and have, given trump credit when it's due. I don't know that many of you can say that you've ever criticized him for anything. As I also said from the beginning, showing leadership on this from the start would compensate for any impact on the economy. I don't think he did, but I also think the Dem leadership has been so bad that he can overcome that poor start. The only person who can stop him, is himself.... jmho but... the President should be worried about the economy and the markets. if they are going to thrust the wold economy into a global recession, that by itself could very well kill more people than a pandemic would. not saying he shouldn't be worried about them more than the CV scare, but one is possibly more impactful than the other. as for your perception that he cares more about the markets, that may just be your perception of #orangemanbad than reality. Edited March 19, 2020 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 45 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: They pushed blatantly untrue information as fact, and cost the world weeks. Add that to their faulty tests and the WHO is clearly either not a reliable institution or purposefully care more about appeasing the CCP than their actual stated mission. Agree that they accepted China's false information about the ability to transmit the disease from person to person and also that test kits in China were defective. Were the German kits the ones the Chinese were using? Had thought the Chinese used their own test protocols. And also understand that the WHO did NOT offer test kits to the US. But, haven't seen anywhere that the German kits (which were the basis of the protocol that the WHO shared to 3rd world countries) were defective. Were those defective too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 It pays to have inside info... https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 56 minutes ago, TPS said: It pays to have inside info... https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness Just another establishment politician. Never was impressed with him. If he was really knowledgeable he would have reinvested in the companies that manufacture Charmin, etc. and hand sanitizer/moisturizer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, TPS said: It pays to have inside info... https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness And I'd probably get thrown in jail for merely researching a stock on my restricted list ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, GG said: And I'd probably get thrown in jail for merely researching a stock on my restricted list ? Restricted list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Restricted list? Yeah, many financial companies severe restrictions in which stocks employees can trade. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Tucker has been very good throughout this crisis... 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 hours ago, GG said: Yeah, many financial companies severe restrictions in which stocks employees can trade. Are you barred from buying broad market index funds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 33 minutes ago, TPS said: Tucker has been very good throughout this crisis... I agree with Tucker Carlson; now that is a sentence I never thought I'd write. Good on him for a non partisan, ethical take. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I’ve long said, in many posts, that Burr’s committee is the swampiest one on the Hill. It’s never been R v D, or R v L, conservative v progressive — that’s the ruse. It’s really us v them. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, TPS said: Tucker has been very good throughout this crisis... Not to defend Burr, but if he's going down Nancy Pelosi and damn near every member of Congress needs to go down with him. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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