Boatdrinks Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Since the Offense put up a ruunning game of historical level production , it seems to reason that this will not happen again in 2017 regardless of who the QB is. Expecting a repeat of that performance is folly. It is likely folly to expect an historically low amount of turnovers by the Offense. These should not be used as a basis for choosing ones QB for the upcoming season. We simply do not know what the Bills FO thinks of TT, or the potential HC in McDermott and McCoy if he signs on as OC. One could make the argument either way, but this HC hire appears to be about the long haul not a one year referendum on Whaley. Remember, that is what T Pegs wanted out of the Ryan hire and this seems like his " mulligan" on that failed experiment. Pegs seems like a patient man, possibly to a fault, but didn't like the regression on defense and the overall sloppiness of the team's preparation. Whaley said " we're close" , so if that's any indication I wouldn't expect a rookie to be starting at QB in 2017. I also don't think a defensive oriented HC would be too thrilled at that prospect either, as the D would often be in precarious situations. If no Taylor, look for a veteran QB ( possibly a trade acquisition) and a QB of the future will be drafted. Otherwise Taylor stays , as the contract numbers are not particularly onerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Except Taylor has a winning record as the Bills QB, 3 of the losses the last 2 years were games EJ started. Taylor also put enough points on the board for this team to win and watched the D fail. We also lost Sammy for more than half the season and he played hurt in just about every other game. We also lost Wood, Woods, Clay, McCoy, Glenn, etc for several games each. We also had a terrible defense. We also lost our top 2 draft picks before the season started on defense. We also didn't have Marcell for half the season. Taylor also played hurt for several games last year and parts of this year. We have also had 2 OC's in 2 years. Yet despite ALL of that, the kid has a winning record for the Bills, led one of the highest scoring offenses in the League, and his lethal threat of running has made us the potent rushing attack in the NFL as not only does he get yards, but his thread of running opens up the lanes for our RB's because they have to defend both the QB and HB on run plays. So no offense, but you are wrong on your assessment that Taylor can only lead us to 7 or 8 wins because he not only has already bested that, he has done so with severe things working against him and this team that I mentioned above. Shady led the best offenses we had in years, not Tyrod. Tyrod can't get out of his own way at times by completing a pass or seeing the wide open receiver running down the field. I tend to believe that you are wrong on your assessment. Tyrod is not a Franchise QB. On top of that the NFL isn't college where you are winning with QB's because of their running ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I disagree. We will never make the playoffs with Tyrod at QB unless we somehow can reincarnate the 2000 Ravens. You do realize that the offense's 3 and outs contributed mightily to a tired defense getting repeatedly gashed at times? Who was the leader of that 3 and out machine when you needed a couple of 1st downs to get your defense a breather? How on Earth can you even say that? Taylor has a winning record with a terrible D and we contended for the playoffs late in his 2 seasons as a starter, so why does the D need to be like the Ravens. No offense man, but this is a highly exaggerated post rooted in your disdain by Taylor. And he did that missing his best Weapons for large portions of the last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 How long before we have posts expressing worry that no deal has been announced yet, which obviously means McDermott is having 2nd thoughts and the whole thing is going to come crashing down? By the way it has now been "reported" per Schefter's twitter that Vance Joseph will coach the Broncos and McCoy will be his OC. Have not seen this indicated in any of his tweets. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Yes sir. Taylor is far from this teams biggest problem. He isnt the end all be all, but the ONLY way you win games in the NFL is to score points, and more points than the other team. We were pretty good at scoring points, and pretty bad at keeping the other team from scoring more points. But everyone is fixated on Taylor as if he is the reason. 100 times easier to fix the D which still has talent on it and a lot of the personnel from when it was pretty good to go with the young talent coming back full strength like Shaq and Rags. Biggest issue on the D was the terrible scheme that broke it down. Add in a healthy Sammy to the offense, healthy OL, and whatever talent we add in the draft and FA and this team could be pretty dam good next year. Want to take a QB in the 2nd or 3rd to hedge bets, by all means do so. Arguments can be made for or against, but the only thing that matters is if the Bills want to move on from Taylor. Not what a group of fans express on a message board. I don't personally think a new HC would be very interested in starting a rookie QB year one of his gig. So it's likely either Taylor or a vet in 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Shady led the best offenses we had in years, not Tyrod. Tyrod can't get out of his own way at times by completing a pass or seeing the wide open receiver running down the field. I tend to believe that you are wrong on your assessment. Tyrod is not a Franchise QB. On top of that the NFL isn't college where you are winning with QB's because of their running ability. If you cannot see how Tyrod being a factor in our running game did not also help the running game work....you need look no further then the last game of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Shady led the best offenses we had in years, not Tyrod. Tyrod can't get out of his own way at times by completing a pass or seeing the wide open receiver running down the field. I tend to believe that you are wrong on your assessment. Tyrod is not a Franchise QB. On top of that the NFL isn't college where you are winning with QB's because of their running ability. I am not saying Taylor is a franchise guy, I am saying we have, and can win with him. Its that simple. And Shady is way more effective with Taylor in there as we saw in week 17 when the D just keyed on stopping the RB's, You give no credit to the immense pressure Taylors running ability puts on the defense and how everyone on the offense benefits from that. And again, the point is not about how good or bad Taylor is, its about whether we can win games as a team with him as part of the puzzle...and the answer is not only factually yes (he has a winning record as the Bills starter), but has upside considering he has to go out and win games where we were missing lots of our talent and fielding a very porous defense that gave up way too many points the last years and couldn't stop anyone on 3rd down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonprophet Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 But can McCoy coordinate a running game? He's a passing game specialist and that's the opposite of our strength. The Bills hired a defense specialist for their last head coach when it was the same as their strength. How did that turn out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 He had 4 4thQ comebacks and 4 GWD in 2016 in 9 games in 2015. Along with 1 GWD and 1 4thQ comeback in the playoffs in 2015. TT has 2 in his career. Let's just stop pretending TT is better than dead Peyton. He ain't. TT may have prettier numbers, but when the chips were down, Peyton scored and TT choked. Manning had a really good comeback against KC early last year after really struggling all game......but the rest were basically just the Broncos getting a score in the final quarter of the game and their D being stingy. 4th Q comebacks are a stat.......tell me how many times a QB brings their team to a score that gives them a lead inside 2 mins left in the game. THAT is a real 4th quarter comeback........not kicking a decisive field goal with 13 mins left in the 4th quarter after the opponent turned it over in their own territory........which technically is a 4th quarter comeback. There are maybe a half dozen QB's that can consistently put points on the board with very little time left........and some of them were home watching the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Personally, I'd like us to keep Taylor (or if we can get one of the proven improvements, that'll work too), and then use a mid round pick on a developmental guy, if we don't have another glaring need then. Here's the problem I have with this mid-round approach and I admit it's not necessarily fair to Tyrod: people on this board have been saying this same thing for years with Fitz, Losman, Trent Edwards, Bledsoe. Look no further than that basket of deplorables if you really want to know why our post-season drought is almost old enough to vote. I agree with keeping a seasoned veteran as a backup, but I'd like a 1st rd QB this year or next year. But yes we need a vet in here cause I never want to go through another season with the likes of Thad Lewis and Jeff TUEL starting games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills of Boston Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 3m3 minutes ago Denver has two OC interviews now set up for Thursday, per sources: Mike McCoy and Bill Musgrave. Each have Broncos connections. Edited January 11, 2017 by Bills of Boston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 3m3 minutes ago Denver has two OC interviews now set up for Thursday, per sources: Mike McCoy and Bill Musgrave. Each have Broncos connections. Yeah people are over reacting and assuming McCoy is in there just because he is going to interview. He could very well go there, but seems a bit premature to just assume it when he hasn't even interviewed yet. Not to mention, their new HC is a OC, so I am not sure he is going to want to bring another OC and their system versus brining in someone less established as an OC to help run his own system. Edited January 11, 2017 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blargo Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 How on Earth can you even say that? Taylor has a winning record with a terrible D and we contended for the playoffs late in his 2 seasons as a starter, so why does the D need to be like the Ravens. No offense man, but this is a highly exaggerated post rooted in your disdain by Taylor. And he did that missing his best Weapons for large portions of the last 2 years. How on Earth can you even say that? Taylor has a winning record with a terrible D and we contended for the playoffs late in his 2 seasons as a starter, so why does the D need to be like the Ravens. No offense man, but this is a highly exaggerated post rooted in your disdain by Taylor. And he did that missing his best Weapons for large portions of the last 2 years. Lets look at the games this year where if we had any kind of D we would have won. First Miami, we had 2 score lead in the 3rd. Seattle, O moved up and down the field, with a good D we win regardless of the officiating. Oakland, we start the 3rd Q with 2 unanswered TD's and then D totally collapses. 2nd Miami game, D just kept giving up big drives and then the big play. So 7-9 turns to 11-5 just with those games. 11-5 gets us into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 3m3 minutes ago Denver has two OC interviews now set up for Thursday, per sources: Mike McCoy and Bill Musgrave. Each have Broncos connections. If the Bills get McDermott and don't get McCoy or even Lynn to be OC...........it's going to be interesting how people on here will view that hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Lets look at the games this year where if we had any kind of D we would have won. First Miami, we had 2 score lead in the 3rd. Seattle, O moved up and down the field, with a good D we win regardless of the officiating. Oakland, we start the 3rd Q with 2 unanswered TD's and then D totally collapses. 2nd Miami game, D just kept giving up big drives and then the big play. So 7-9 turns to 11-5 just with those games. 11-5 gets us into the playoffs. Exactly, and thats just this year. Last year Taylor had an 8-6 record where the D blew multiple games as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 And this year they're watching from the couch, same as us. I'm delusional because I think the Offensive Coordinator might want to go to the team with a better offense? Denver: 27th Ranked Offense (5169 Yards) 22nd Ranked Scoring Offense (333 Points) 28th Ranked DVOA Offense (-12.9%) Question Mark at QB, Drafting 20th Buffalo: 16th Ranked Offense (5666 Yards) 10th Ranked Scoring Offense (399 Points) 10th Ranked DVOA Offense (+9.6%) Question Mark at QB, Drafting 10th Uh huh... Send me some more stats that make you think he'd spurn Denver for Buffalo. By the by, have you seen who Denver's interviewing for OC? Mike freakin' McCoy! Your blind homerism may pay off though. The Broncos could choose Musgrave instead. Then we might have a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Exactly, and thats just this year. Last year Taylor had an 8-6 record where the D blew multiple games as well. 7-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 How on Earth can you even say that? Taylor has a winning record with a terrible D and we contended for the playoffs late in his 2 seasons as a starter, so why does the D need to be like the Ravens. No offense man, but this is a highly exaggerated post rooted in your disdain by Taylor. And he did that missing his best Weapons for large portions of the last 2 years. I have seen enough of Tyrod to know what he is. He is a decent game manager type who is NEVER going to take us anywhere. I will repeat the same things I have time and again just once more and I'm going to leave it alone. He CAN'T read a defense, he has trouble with his progressions, he MISSES\DOES NOT SEE wide open receivers at all levels of the field, he doesn't trust himself enough to throw a ball to a spot where his guy will be open instead waiting for them to be completely open to throw the ball, he trusts his legs too much at times and creates negative plays, he will NEVER be a QB that can carry a team with his arm, NEVER, he folds in the clutch moments of games, he is wildly inconsistent between 5-20 yards throwing the ball, and he is a 3 and out machine when we need a couple of 1st downs at least to give the defense a break. He is a more athletic version of JP Losman and nothing more. It would take a stellar defense to carry this guy because he's not winning games for you. That is what my statement about the 2000 Ravens means. They won with Trent Dilfer. Or a 2002 Bucs defense because they won with Brad Johnson. How many games has Tyrod actually carried us to victory in? The Tennessee game last year? That was a nice run for a TD. I already noted that he may win a game from time to time with his legs. Hell, so did Vince Young. People say is blind and you can see it in the apologists' reasoning for this guy. I just hope he is doing that crap somewhere else next season and not in a Bills uni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 If the Bills get McDermott and don't get McCoy or even Lynn to be OC...........it's going to be interesting how people on here will view that hire. I for one would have then preferred Richard over McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Uh huh... Send me some more stats that make you think he'd spurn Denver for Buffalo. By the by, have you seen who Denver's interviewing for OC? Mike freakin' McCoy! Your blind homerism may pay off though. The Broncos could choose Musgrave instead. Then we might have a shot. What other stats do you want? Our offense is better in pretty much every way. And are you implying that Mike 'freakin'' McCoy wouldn't have interviewed here? He's going on an interview. He might sign, he might not. He has multiple options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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