dave mcbride Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) I far prefer PFF's squad to the AP's, but at the end of the day there's not a huge amount of difference. The Bills allegedly talent-laden squad scored not one first- or second-team placement in PFF's system, although Lorax and -- bizarrely -- Zach Brown both made the second team at LB for the AP squad. (I say bizarrely because Brown played poorly down the stretch.) https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-2016-pff-all-pro-team/ http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000770458/article/three-rookies-matt-ryan-among-players-named-to-allpro-team I'll say this about Belichick: he's looking very smart about Marcus Cannon right now (surprise surprise). Cannon was a liability last season, and I thought he was a problem they had to solve. He was great this year, especially in the run game. Edited January 6, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I believe you mean All Pro Teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I far prefer PFF's squad to the AP's, but at the end of the day there's not a huge amount of difference. The Bills allegedly talent-laden squad scored not one first- or second-team placement in PFF's system, although Lorax and -- bizarrely -- Zach Brown both made the second team at LB for the AP squad. (I say bizarrely because Brown played poorly down the stretch.) https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-2016-pff-all-pro-team/ http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000770458/article/three-rookies-matt-ryan-among-players-named-to-allpro-team I'll say this about Belichick: he's looking very smart about Marcus Cannon right now (surprise surprise). Cannon was a liability last season, and I thought he was a problem they had to solve. He was great this year, especially in the run game. I swear Bellicheat* is the best talent evaluator in the league... Our talent is severely overrated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 I believe you mean All Pro Teams. yes, and crap. How do I modify it? The old button that was there is now missing, it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 PFF 2nd Team RB: Jay Ajayi PFF 3rd Team RB: Le'Veon Bell Seems like our defense kept Shady off of the PFF All-Pro team too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Two Bills LBs named 2nd Team All-Pro Two veteran linebackers, who weren't even projected starters heading into the 2016 season wound up being two of the most productive players on defense for the Bills and were recognized for it Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 PFF 2nd Team RB: Jay Ajayi PFF 3rd Team RB: Le'Veon Bell Seems like our defense kept Shady off of the PFF All-Pro team too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 yes, and crap. How do I modify it? The old button that was there is now missing, it seems. You should be able to go to the OP, hit edit, then hit the "use full editor" button... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Matt Ryan beat out Brady hope that happens for MVP too or give it to Zeke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I far prefer PFF's squad to the AP's, but at the end of the day there's not a huge amount of difference. The Bills allegedly talent-laden squad scored not one first- or second-team placement in PFF's system, although Lorax and -- bizarrely -- Zach Brown both made the second team at LB for the AP squad. (I say bizarrely because Brown played poorly down the stretch.) https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-2016-pff-all-pro-team/ http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000770458/article/three-rookies-matt-ryan-among-players-named-to-allpro-team I'll say this about Belichick: he's looking very smart about Marcus Cannon right now (surprise surprise). Cannon was a liability last season, and I thought he was a problem they had to solve. He was great this year, especially in the run game. I love BB but Cannon improvement is do to the greatest acquisition the Pats made in the off season. The return of Scar as OLine coach! That man works miracles with almost anyone on the line! The Pats OLine under him was always top notch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I can see Brady feeling snubbed and taking it out on playoff opponents. I look for him to set new post season passing records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 They were solid pickups at a reduced rate. At the same time, Alexander is entering his 12th season and not someone to build around and Brown is probably going to win big in UFA. The roster on the whole isn't "close" as the GM would have some believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I swear Bellicheat* is the best talent evaluator in the league... Our talent is severely overrated... So Rex did a good job getting us to 7 wins in 15 games??? I love BB but Cannon improvement is do to the greatest acquisition the Pats made in the off season. The return of Scar as OLine coach! That man works miracles with almost anyone on the line! The Pats OLine under him was always top notch. As someone said, Bellichick is a great talent evaluator. He finds good players and he finds good coaches. PFF 2nd Team RB: Jay Ajayi PFF 3rd Team RB: Le'Veon Bell Seems like our defense kept Shady off of the PFF All-Pro team too. Interesting observation. Probably some truth there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I love BB but Cannon improvement is do to the greatest acquisition the Pats made in the off season. The return of Scar as OLine coach! That man works miracles with almost anyone on the line! The Pats OLine under him was always top notch. If Dante doesn't end up in the Hall of Fame, it'll be a travesty. Bill will still be coaxing him out of retirement when he's 92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 If Dante doesn't end up in the Hall of Fame, it'll be a travesty. Bill will still be coaxing him out of retirement when he's 92 I agree! He is the unsung third member of the Pats Championship tree. They won nothing without him. (And almost got Brady killed behind that line last year in Denver.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Not counting special teamers, and not counting David Johnson twice*, a total of 57 players made it on the AP list and 48 on the PFF list. That's a little under 2 per team on the AP side and only 1.5 per team on the PFF side. I don't think it's necessarily fair to draw conclusions about the overall talent level based on not getting enough players into such small pools. Especially since the voting (more so on the AP side) is heavily biased by the team's record. (And, looking at the overall results, it seems biased by media market/exposure as well - the Giants had the most AP All-Pros!) The Bills were one of 8 teams to get no players on the PFF All-Pro team, which isn't great. But that set of 8 also includes (weak) playoff teams the Texans and Lions. (The Lions didn't get any All-Pros on either list.) Fifteen teams didn't have any first-teamers on either list - including the Dolphins, Packers, and Saints. The Saints defense stinks but I defy anyone to rationally say they don't have talent on offense. And yet, their only All-Pro was Cam Jordan on the PFF second-team. So yeah, despite these results, I continue to believe that this team has talent. Probably not better than 10-6 or maybe 11-5 talent with good coaching, but talent nonetheless. I don't feel like the team was well-coached overall. Probably about a B or C on offense (F through the first 2 games), and a D on defense. That got us a 7-9 record, with a chance to win in almost all of the losses. We outscored our opponents by 21 on the year - 13th best in the league. Upgrade to A or B coaching overall, and I think we're a playoff team. *For some reason, the AP has David Johnson as 1st team "flex" and 2nd team RB. I call BS on that. Once a guy makes it at flex, shouldn't he be off the board for the positions that feed into flex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 SG24 in not on this list???? SHOCKER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Top rusher on top rushing team not good enough for all-pro honors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Weird how AP had a flex slot and David Johnson got 1st team flex and 2nd team RB. Should be one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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