All_Pro_Bills Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) Under different circumstances signing Gilmore to a big deal would make sense but given how poor this defense is the money might be wisely spent elsewhere. This defense is just too slow all over but noticeably at OLB. And the safety position needs a significant upgrade. Edited December 25, 2016 by All_Pro_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Under different circumstances signing Gilmore to a big deal would make sense but given how poor this defense is the money might be wisely spent elsewhere. This defense is just too slow all over but noticeably at OLB. And the safety position needs a significant upgrade. Preston Brown is not a good football player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 No one on this team other than McCoy deserve to get protected. But you can't change the entire Defense, so they have to decide on SG due to his contract status. The price tag greatly exceeds the value, and the guy brings almost no intangibles to the table. The Bills should pass on SG and spend those $ elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 But you can't change the entire Defense, so they have to decide on SG due to his contract status. The price tag greatly exceeds the value, and the guy brings almost no intangibles to the table. The Bills should pass on SG and spend those $ elsewhere. Good post. Not sure what some on here see what he brings. Good for him that he will make his money and have a good life. I just don't his passion for the game. The will to win. And yes, once again he got injured again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) Deion Sanders sucked at tackling too. Most corners suck at it outside of Aqib Taleb. Winfield was a fine tackler, but yes, it's the exception not the rule. That looks like the weakness the phins exploit with Ajayi. Run that big horse outside challenging the corners in run support. Preston Brown is not a good football player! "I'll take him off of your hands"- signed Jim No one on this team other than McCoy deserve to get protected. The running back unit, less Reggie is solid. LeShady, Gilly, Felton all get a pass in my view. J-will dunno yet Edited December 25, 2016 by Over 28 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Anyone that believes he can be easily replaced is in for a rude awakening. He's a top-10 corner, and there's a reason why teams don't target him in the pass game. There's also a reason why he's smothered receivers like Allen Robinson, Antonio Brown, and Terrelle Pryor (among others) in the last 6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 It's amazing. Any time we have a FA up for a pay day fans slam them due to any mistake they make as a way to justify not paying him. It's like some sort of defense mechanism in that they feel OBD won't pay the guy so they have to convince themselves he's not worth it. Dude, Gilmore is soft as baby ****. You are never going to turn this thing around if you are making Gilmore one of your largest contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Dude, Gilmore is soft as baby ****. You are never going to turn this thing around if you are making Gilmore one of your largest contracts. This is a contextually-bereft, purely emotional argument. I typically like your posts, but c'mon man. PS Merry Christmas and Happy Chanukah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 This is a contextually-bereft, purely emotional argument. I typically like your posts, but c'mon man. PS Merry Christmas and Happy Chanukah Guys who throw shoulders when they are in perfect tackling position cost their team games. He isn't good enough in coverage to make up for his lack of effort when it comes to tackling. He is good but he isn't going to make the difference between the Bills ending the drought or not. Use the money on more competitive players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 It's amazing. Any time we have a FA up for a pay day fans slam them due to any mistake they make as a way to justify not paying him. It's like some sort of defense mechanism in that they feel OBD won't pay the guy so they have to convince themselves he's not worth it. so true. Gilmore and Darby will make a very solid tandem with a new (good) DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) Anyone that believes he can be easily replaced is in for a rude awakening. He's a top-10 corner, and there's a reason why teams don't target him in the pass game. There's also a reason why he's smothered receivers like Allen Robinson, Antonio Brown, and Terrelle Pryor (among others) in the last 6 weeks. He's a top tier cover corner who if he leaves this team will pay handsomely to try to replace him. The same people who criticize Gilmore will react with indignation when a high draft pick or a high cost free agent is brought in to fill the vacancy. This league has a large number of game breaking receivers. Those types of special talents are going to win their share of battles with the corners covering them. That's a reality that even the best corners in the league have to deal with. Having a corner that can stay with elite receivers and straight up contest them , even if some battles are lost, is a precious commodity. I don't understand the hostility directed toward Gilmore. He was a highly ranked player coming out of college for the simple reason that he was a very talented player playing one of the most challenging positions in the game. What's so perplexing is that overall he has been a stellar player for us. Yet the hound dogs continue to bark at one of our best defensive players. There are plenty of underachieving defensive players to focus one's attention on. In this case it is misplaced. I don't get it! My recommendation is to pay the CB with dreadlocks his market value (not go beyond) and address other positions of greater need. There certainly are plenty of areas on this porous defense that need addressing. Where he plays is not one of them. Edited December 25, 2016 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) It's simple. Hostility towards Gilmore is there because at times he's shown a hesitancy to tackle in the open field and he's a FA that will get a lot of money that many fans don't feel we will pay him. So they bash him as justification for when we don't resign him. He is far from being a perfect player. The criticism that he is not a good tackler is valid. But it is not unusual that a top cover corner isn't a superb tackler and isn't a thumper as some safeties are. His biggest asset is covering ability. and it is an asset that should be coveted not diminished because of his lack of crunching physical play. You are right that the primary source of the hostility towards Gilmore is his status of being a free agent. There is a recognition that he will receive a big payday from the market that the Bills may not be inclined to match. That in itself is an admission that he is a valued player. If the Bills don't resign him because of cap considerations or they simply make a judgment that the value ratio to contract size doesn't match, then so be it. Those are the the type of decisions all teams are faced with. Good players leave teams all the time. That's an inescapable part of the business. It just seems to me that the general fan attitude towards Gilmore is a demonstration of resentfulness. I just don't like that attitude. It seems so small to me. Edited December 25, 2016 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 He's a top tier cover corner who if he leaves this team will pay handsomely to try to replace him. The same people who criticize Gilmore will react with indignation when a high draft pick or a high cost free agent is brought in to fill the vacancy. This league has a large number of game breaking receivers. Those types of special talents are going to win their share of battles with the corners covering them. That's a reality that even the best corners in the league have to deal with. Having a corner that can stay with elite receivers and straight up contest them , even if some battles are lost, is a precious commodity. I don't understand the hostility directed toward Gilmore. He was a highly ranked player coming out of college for the simple reason that he was a very talented player playing one of the most challenging positions in the game. What's so perplexing is that overall he has been a stellar player for us. Yet the hound dogs continue to bark at one of our best defensive players. There are plenty of underachieving defensive players to focus one's attention on. In this case it is misplaced. I don't get it! My recommendation is to pay the CB with dreadlocks his market value (not go beyond) and address other positions of greater need. There certainly are plenty of areas on this porous defense that need addressing. Where he plays is not one of them. When I watch a player in say, Seattles secondary I think " I'd pay that guy in FA he's worth it. " Then I see Gilmore play. Definitely not worth it. They will draft a CB or fill it with a better FA. Gilmore is soft and not even worth his current salary. He's not what the defense needs to make it elite. That's about it. Why pay a guy that gives halfhearted effort? If you don't know how to tackle by now , it's just a part of the game that he has no taste for. Cares only about the payday, doesn't have that burning desire to hit someone. It's amazing. Any time we have a FA up for a pay day fans slam them due to any mistake they make as a way to justify not paying him. It's like some sort of defense mechanism in that they feel OBD won't pay the guy so they have to convince themselves he's not worth it. Those days are over with and were as soon as the Wilson regime ended. Any fan paying attention no longer feels that way. They simply don't want the Bills to pay the guy. Dollars will be spent, just better spent elsewhere. Overpaying a CB isn't the ticket to improving the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananathumb Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 He's a cowardly piece of @#$% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 This team will he worse with not Gilmore at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I get it, Gilmore wants to stay healthy for a big contract somewhere else next season. Remember how bad Clements wanted out of Buffalo? We have seen this before. Even given the above, Gilmore (imo) is a disgrace and I truly do hope he moves on. A case could be made that his attempt at a "shoulder tackle" cost us a game with playoff implications, on Christmas Eve. I like when we fans disagree. It makes this board great and I learn from good dialogue. Can anyone explain to me how getting rid of Mario was good but losing Gilmore would be bad? My take is good riddance to both! No change of heart at top 5 CB money. If he takes 11-12 million then by all means bring him back. Gilmore's tackling style has always been the same; using his shoulder instead of wrapping up with his arms. That didn't just start this season. He's injured himself doing that in past seasons. But he's good in coverage over all, although he can have his rough patches like most CB's in the league. There are no Deion Sanders' or Rod Woodson levels in today's NFL. I think what is overlooked is why wasn't he traded last off-season? Why go into the season with a guy the Bills front office did not believe enough in to give a long-term contract to? It creates an mistrusting environment with neither party knowing or believing the intentions of the other. If the front office didn't really believe in the guy, then see what you can do on the trade market. All this said, I didn't see the game (yet), but if what you say is accurate, then the guy is truly a disgrace - regardless of circumstances, contracts, or whatever. It's about having competitors on the field and he's been a weak link in that regard, it seems. They, reportedly offered him a deal. He wanted more. So they do believe in him. At a certain pay grade. That's business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 We have been so insanely spoiled by above average corner play that we don't realize they grow on trees. How many actually good corners are out there? Look what losing Norman did to the panthers? And he was replaced by two rookies playing better than expected. When you have the right pieces already established its important to keep them. We let mckelvin, brooks go to try to keep Gilmore. If we fail at Gilmore it will set us back at least one game next yr and something that will take a few yrs to recover from. Even if we draft a stellar cb who can fill in we have other needs we must address. You build thru the draft and keep your talent that you have developed when you can. In hindsight paying guys like Hughes and Aaron Williams has shown to be a joke. Gilmore does not miss games and plays a much more important role than either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 We have been so insanely spoiled by above average corner play that we don't realize they grow on trees. How many actually good corners are out there? Look what losing Norman did to the panthers? And he was replaced by two rookies playing better than expected. When you have the right pieces already established its important to keep them. We let mckelvin, brooks go to try to keep Gilmore. If we fail at Gilmore it will set us back at least one game next yr and something that will take a few yrs to recover from. Even if we draft a stellar cb who can fill in we have other needs we must address. You build thru the draft and keep your talent that you have developed when you can. In hindsight paying guys like Hughes and Aaron Williams has shown to be a joke. Gilmore does not miss games and plays a much more important role than either. Yeah Carolina didnt need Norman so much watch this contract they are about to hand Gilmore in the offseason when they get the chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Bandit keeps saying he is a top 10 corner in the league. Also mentionning his game against Brown is pointless. The weather was awful and it was difficult to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Bandit keeps saying he is a top 10 corner in the league. Also mentionning his game against Brown is pointless. The weather was awful and it was difficult to pass. How about against Fitzgerald AJ Green? There are many examples over and over of him taking a premier WR out of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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