The Wiz Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I wonder if the regression of the running game is impacting perception as well? The Bills are not moving the ball on the ground like last year (including Tyrod). It felt like he was trying to play off of the running game while this year it feels like it is more on his shoulders. Very likely. I know it never looks like they are moving anywhere unless the ball is thrown. An exaggeration I know but the run game has looked beyond bad. With TT not running hasn't help them either. ESPN has it under "pass thrown 11-20 yards" I'll go ahead and assume they mean air yards then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Yeah, it was at a time where we wanted to conserve clock, so the read was Goodwin on the sideline. Figured he'd come out of the break harder towards the sideline, but instead turned into a missed dive. There was 1:24 left with 2 timeouts. Clock was not an issue. did you feel he was making those intermediate throws better last year? I did not. I don't have an issue with the read. I have an huge issue with the read post snap, that won't cut it in the NFL. There's a possibility Clay takes that to the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 There was 1:24 left with 2 timeouts. Clock was not an issue. I did not. I have an huge issue with the read post snap, that won't cut it in the NFL. There's a possibility Clay takes that to the house. Not when they are trying to conserve clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I do not see a passing chart from this year yet. But I would imagine it is not much better then last years chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I do not see a passing chart from this year yet. But I would imagine it is not much better then last years chart. have any others for comparisons sake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 have any others for comparisons sake? What QB you looking for I will see if I can find it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Not when they are trying to conserve clock That play occurred in either the second or third qtr. If what Q says about the time remaining and the number of timeouts, then there is no excuse for TT to miss that play. None at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 What QB you looking for I will see if I can find it Umm, nobody specific. Maybe Dalton? or Brady I guess Russell Wilson is usually the comparison. Any of those guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 Umm, nobody specific. Maybe Dalton? or Brady I guess Russell Wilson is usually the comparison. Any of those guys yea, really just a handful of random mid tier to good guys just to see what the trends across them would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 That play occurred in either the second or third qtr. If what Q says about the time remaining and the number of timeouts, then there is no excuse for TT to miss that play. None at all. It was with 1:24 before the half. When both receivers are open for relatively the same gain you go with the sideline in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 The run game has not been there. The amount of plays run have not allowed him to get in a grove. The "D" has to give him more time on the field. He will be fine. 100m Deruis really screwed us. I don't care how good he is. It all comes down to it's a team effort and we are hurting as a team. Not just TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) It was with 1:24 before the half. When both receivers are open for relatively the same gain you go with the sideline in that situation.with a minute and a half left and the play taking you to the 20 --- im fine going with the guy that has a shot to score or gain more yards even if it eats clock (but you need a competent 2 minute offense to get up to the line) 90 seconds from the 20 yard line should be enough to do pretty much whatever you want in the passing game. Edited September 19, 2016 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I wonder if the regression of the running game is impacting perception as well? The Bills are not moving the ball on the ground like last year (including Tyrod). It felt like he was trying to play off of the running game while this year it feels like it is more on his shoulders. I think this is a huge part of it. When the offense is moving the chains it makes the QB look effective even if you are running the ball. When you can't run and then miss a throw it makes it look like the QB is killing drives. They get too much credit and too much blame at times depending on the circumstances. I remember last year when Tyrod was competing for QB, when other quarterbacks were commanding the offense, the offense didn't move the chains well at all. When Tyrod was in there, they moved the chains consistently and made it look easy. (This was preseason of course.) But when comparing offenses with him in there compared to EJ it was night and day difference. I am certain that a lot of that was Tyrod using his legs to sustain drives too though. He hasn't done as much of that effectively this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 He is who we thought he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 It was with 1:24 before the half. When both receivers are open for relatively the same gain you go with the sideline in that situation. Yes. It is easy to say otherwise in hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 with a minute and a half left and the play taking you to the 20 --- im fine going with the guy that has a shot to score or gain more yards even if it eats clock (but you need a competent 2 minute offense to get up to the line) 90 seconds from the 20 yard line should be enough to do pretty much whatever you want in the passing game. I'd have been fine with either, but I can see why he went to the sideline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) It was with 1:24 before the half. When both receivers are open for relatively the same gain you go with the sideline in that situation. Not with that field position. I also don't agree with the idea of the same gain here. Clay needed to make one guy miss and/or bring him down and he's shown he can beat the first tackler and be a pain for a smaller guy to bring down frequently. Goodwin was maxed out at the sideline. TT missed a great opportunity no matter how I slice it. Edited September 19, 2016 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Winston's 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Not with that field position. I also don't agree with the idea of the same gain here. Clay needed to make one guy miss and/or bring him down and he's shown he can beat the first tackler and be a pain for a smaller guy to bring down frequently. Goodwin was maxed out at the sideline. TT missed a great opportunity no matter how I slice it. I think you're absolutely right. And I think people are resistant to acknowledge what you're saying, given the likelihood that these flubs continue, Roman or no Roman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Not with that field position. I also don't agree with the idea of the same gain here. Clay needed to make one guy miss and/or bring him down and he's shown he can beat the first tackler and be a pain for a smaller guy to bring down frequently. Goodwin was maxed out at the sideline. TT missed a great opportunity no matter how I slice it. And you expect your quarterback to analyze that and think about all that in the 2 seconds he has to decide where to throw the ball? Nonsense. He is coached to throw the ball to the sideline if the receiver is open. How can you fault the guy for that? The guy is not a perfect QB and is certainly not a perfect pocket passer. I don't know why fans expect him to be. Nobody ever said he was. He's just the best QB on this team right now. Edited September 19, 2016 by PolishDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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