BuffaloBill Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 We will work through questions about the AFCE over the next few days, We will start with the Fish - Do you think Ryan Tannehill can strike fear into opposing teams? Is he talented enough to make the Fish a threat to challenge the Cheats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 I've seen where he put significant effort into his mechanics during the off-season -with highly regarded indtructors. Like any NFL QB, he can be very accurate when given time to set his feet and deliver. We've been able to really push the pocket and rattle him (for the most part) due mostly to getting up on them early, forcing him to throw. The fish haven't had a consistent rushing game since the days of Butch & Sundance. It looks to me that this is why they emphasize garnering Defensive stars -in order to keep Tannehill from having to play from behind so much. The one game they beat us a couple years ago, he looked very good playing with the lead. So 'Can he be'? Naw... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacarri and coke Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 I live in south Fl. and no one thinks he's good not even the Dolphin fans.If your own fans don't think your good....your poop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 He's a bit of an enigma...his numbers aren't awful but no, he never "strikes fear" into an opponent. I don't know the answer, but how many QBs who have started their entire career suddenly become all-stars in their 5th season? Seems like you either know by now or you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Over the past two seasons: 51 to 24 TD to INT ratio, QB rating north of 90, 8000 yards. No one will confuse him with Brady, Rodgers or Brees but he's been quietly, unspectacularly productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 He's been able to deliver some wins against the cheaters from Bawston, so that's something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 He's categorically unable to play against Buffalo, so that skews my perception of him. I say he's bottom-third of the starters in the league; same echelon in which I have Tyrod at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 He has the most wins against Brady in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 the Jay Cutler of the AFC East Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 He holds the ball too long. Seems like a nice kid with a hot wife, but a bottom half starting QB. Maybe 22nd or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 He is a wildcard right now...truly we don't know... He has been so poorly coached and so limited by what his OC's allowed him to do(no audiblizing out of bad plays, etc) its hard to know how much of an effect Adam Gase will have on him...I think he will have SOME positive effect on him, but its really hard to tell how much is on Tannehill just not having it together and how much was on coaching in the past... It will be interesting for sure...Tannehill has been VERY good at times, but just as often he has been awful...he is kinda like a much better version of EJ Manuel in that you never know what you are getting game to game from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 the Jay Cutler of the AFC East Haha, well put. I say not a legit threat. Philbin wanted to dump him for Derek Carr in 2014, and I'm really glad they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 He's categorically unable to play against Buffalo, so that skews my perception of him. I say he's bottom-third of the starters in the league; same echelon in which I have Tyrod at the moment. Tyrod is no worse than middle of the pack with significant upside... his deep ball alone puts him ahead of a lot of people...possibly the best deep ball in the NFL, and if not, definitely top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Tyrod is no worse than middle of the pack with significant upside... his deep ball alone puts him ahead of a lot of people...possibly the best deep ball in the NFL, and if not, definitely top 3. He's got a great deep ball, and he did a nice job for a 1st year starter. That he couldn't win against the better teams and had a record of 0-5 when throwing 30 or more passes doesn't put him in the top-20 for me. I've said repeatedly that folks should feel free to rank the starting QBs from 1 to 32 in an honest assessment--I did so and couldn't find a way to get Tyrod into the top 17. His reasonable range IMO is 18-25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Tyrod is no worse than middle of the pack with significant upside... his deep ball alone puts him ahead of a lot of people...possibly the best deep ball in the NFL, and if not, definitely top 3. He's got a great deep ball, and he did a nice job for a 1st year starter. That he couldn't win against the better teams and had a record of 0-5 when throwing 30 or more passes doesn't put him in the top-20 for me. I've said repeatedly that folks should feel free to rank the starting QBs from 1 to 32 in an honest assessment--I did so and couldn't find a way to get Tyrod into the top 17. His reasonable range IMO is 18-25. I tend to agree with matter here. Middle of the pack with significant upside. If I had to do it right here and now, this is what I came up with: "Elite" 1. Rodgers 2. Brady 3. Big Ben 4. Cam 5. Wilson 6. Palmer 7. Brees "Great" 8. Romo 9. Rivers 10. Ryan 11. Carr 12. Dalton 13. Luck "Show Me One More Year of That" 14. Cousins 15. Bortles 16. Tyrod 17. Winston "Adequate/Reliable" 18. Alex Smith 19. Eli Manning 20. Joe Flacco 21. Teddy "Erratic/Unreliable" 22. Stafford 23. Cutler 24. Tanny 25. Fitz 26. Bradford "Unknown/Question Marks" 27. Mariota 28. Sanchez 29. Osweiler 30. Gabbert/Kap 31. RGIII 32. Goff/Keenum Some # rankings are loosely ordered and I've tried to organize it into tiers that god beyond the "elite/very good/good/not very good" framework. You have your elite QBs, your great-but-not-world-class QBs, and then after that it's really subjective how you want to rank them. For me, I think the QBs that have shown they have the skillset to enter the upper echelons but had some inconsistencies in the early goings deserve a higher rank than the reliable, decent guys. Flacco and Manning are good enough to get you a ring with a sturdy defense and have shown the ability to turn it up come playoff time, but their regular season performances, especially the past couple years, leaves much to be desired. After that it's a mix of erratic but talented QBs and a pool of unknowns or guys who have looked bad recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 I tend to agree with matter here. Middle of the pack with significant upside. If I had to do it right here and now, this is what I came up with: "Elite" 1. Rodgers 2. Brady 3. Big Ben 4. Cam 5. Wilson 6. Palmer 7. Brees "Great" 8. Romo 9. Rivers 10. Ryan 11. Carr 12. Dalton 13. Luck "Show Me One More Year of That" 14. Cousins 15. Bortles 16. Tyrod 17. Winston "Adequate/Reliable" 18. Alex Smith 19. Eli Manning 20. Joe Flacco 21. Teddy "Erratic/Unreliable" 22. Stafford 23. Cutler 24. Tanny 25. Fitz 26. Bradford "Unknown/Question Marks" 27. Mariota 28. Sanchez 29. Osweiler 30. Gabbert/Kap 31. RGIII 32. Goff/Keenum Some # rankings are loosely ordered and I've tried to organize it into tiers that god beyond the "elite/very good/good/not very good" framework. You have your elite QBs, your great-but-not-world-class QBs, and then after that it's really subjective how you want to rank them. For me, I think the QBs that have shown they have the skillset to enter the upper echelons but had some inconsistencies in the early goings deserve a higher rank than the reliable, decent guys. Flacco and Manning are good enough to get you a ring with a sturdy defense and have shown the ability to turn it up come playoff time, but their regular season performances, especially the past couple years, leaves much to be desired. After that it's a mix of erratic but talented QBs and a pool of unknowns or guys who have looked bad recently. Pretty good, not sure about some, like Palmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 I tend to agree with matter here. Middle of the pack with significant upside. If I had to do it right here and now, this is what I came up with: "Elite" 1. Rodgers 2. Brady 3. Big Ben 4. Cam 5. Wilson 6. Palmer 7. Brees "Great" 8. Romo 9. Rivers 10. Ryan 11. Carr 12. Dalton 13. Luck "Show Me One More Year of That" 14. Cousins 15. Bortles 16. Tyrod 17. Winston "Adequate/Reliable" 18. Alex Smith 19. Eli Manning 20. Joe Flacco 21. Teddy "Erratic/Unreliable" 22. Stafford 23. Cutler 24. Tanny 25. Fitz 26. Bradford "Unknown/Question Marks" 27. Mariota 28. Sanchez 29. Osweiler 30. Gabbert/Kap 31. RGIII 32. Goff/Keenum Some # rankings are loosely ordered and I've tried to organize it into tiers that god beyond the "elite/very good/good/not very good" framework. You have your elite QBs, your great-but-not-world-class QBs, and then after that it's really subjective how you want to rank them. For me, I think the QBs that have shown they have the skillset to enter the upper echelons but had some inconsistencies in the early goings deserve a higher rank than the reliable, decent guys. Flacco and Manning are good enough to get you a ring with a sturdy defense and have shown the ability to turn it up come playoff time, but their regular season performances, especially the past couple years, leaves much to be desired. After that it's a mix of erratic but talented QBs and a pool of unknowns or guys who have looked bad recently. Pretty good list, but I wouldn't call any one of Dalton, Carr, Ryan, or Luck great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Pretty good, not sure about some, like Palmer. Palmer was incredible last year and really has been one of the league's top QBs in his time with Arizona. Health is a concern, but with him at QB all season the Cardinals were 2nd in both pass yards and points scored. And if you watch the games, he is surgical. Larry Fitz, Michael Floyd and John Brown may be one of the best threesomes in the NFL, but I think Palmer makes that group better more so than the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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