YoloinOhio Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) @thadbrown7 Gilmore says he will compete at training camp "whenever" he gets there. Would it be at start? "We'll see" #Bills @profootballtalk This year, the daily fine for training-camp holdout spikes from $30,000 to $40,000. Edited June 14, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 @thadbrown7 Gilmore says he will compete at training camp "whenever" he gets there. Would it be at start? "We'll see" #Bills @profootballtalk This year, the daily fine for training-camp holdout spikes from $30,000 to $40,000. Taking pointers from his old mentor, I see. Thank-you Jarius. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 No worries it appears: @JoeBuscaglia #Bills CB Stephon Gilmore said he wouldn't sit out of training camp practices if he doesn't have a new deal by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Aw, shucks. I was gettin' my hopes up. We could use another punching bag. [/s] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) No worries it appears: @JoeBuscaglia #Bills CB Stephon Gilmore said he wouldn't sit out of training camp practices if he doesn't have a new deal by then. interestingly, he said that and then backtracked Edited June 14, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Ehh just part of the business, I'm not going to get caught up in it. I hope they don't overpay him, I would like him back but not with a top five CB price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Ehh just part of the business, I'm not going to get caught up in it. I hope they don't overpay him, I would like him back but not with a top five CB price tag. That's what he's going to get, here or elsewhere. He's better than guys like Trumaine Johnson, Byron Maxwell, and Janoris Jenkins, and they're all getting top-8 money. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/cornerback/ They might be able to get Gilmore in the fold for $13.5M, but that's the absolute minimum we can expect him to take; he's probably pushing for $14M AAV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) That's what he's going to get, here or elsewhere. He's better than guys like Trumaine Johnson, Byron Maxwell, and Janoris Jenkins, and they're all getting top-8 money. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/cornerback/ They might be able to get Gilmore in the fold for $13.5M, but that's the absolute minimum we can expect him to take; he's probably pushing for $14M AAV. it is weird to say, but if he's going to hold out I almost think that he must think they are somewhat close? Otherwise he's not going to just not show up indefinitely with all those fines. It's not like he's making no money and feels totally underpaid. He's making 11 mill. Reminds me of the Dez Bryant situation. He's trying to make them act. Edited June 14, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 it is weird to say, but if he's going to hold out I almost think that he must think they are somewhat close? Otherwise he's not going to just not show up indefinitely with all those fines. It's not like he's making no money and feels totally underpaid. He's making 11 mill. Reminds me of the Dez Bryant situation. He's trying to make them act. That was my first impression as well. He's a smart kid, and I think both sides know what's at risk here. I would be surprised if they can't get something done prior to TC. Now that all of the draft picks are signed, he's got to be their #1 focus from a contractual standpoint at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 That's what he's going to get, here or elsewhere. He's better than guys like Trumaine Johnson, Byron Maxwell, and Janoris Jenkins, and they're all getting top-8 money. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/cornerback/ They might be able to get Gilmore in the fold for $13.5M, but that's the absolute minimum we can expect him to take; he's probably pushing for $14M AAV. NFL averages don't mean that much, how much guaranteed money do you think he will get? I don't want the team to go overboard and offer a deal that will affect future negotiations with Darby. That may sound premature seeing as Darby only has one season under his belt, but he showed enough that you can't close that door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 14m is a lot for your second best cornerback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 it sounded to me more like he thinks a deal is coming between now and then and wants to keep his leverage, however misguided Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 NFL averages don't mean that much, how much guaranteed money do you think he will get? I don't want the team to go overboard and offer a deal that will affect future negotiations with Darby. That may sound premature seeing as Darby only has one season under his belt, but he showed enough that you can't close that door. Here was my rip at the Gilmore deal a few weeks back: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/183724-spotrac-manage-roster-tool-2016-bills-salary-cap/?view=findpost&p=3944148 5 years, $66.5M, $32M guaranteed Year Base Signing Roster Cap Hit Dead Hit Savings 2016 $11M (gtd) $3M -- $14M $32M -$18M 2017 $6M (gtd) $3M -- $9M $18M -$9M 2018 $8M $3M $1.5M $12.5M $9M $3.5M 2019 $10M $3M $1.5M $14.5M $6M $8.5M 2020 $12M $3M $1.5M $16.5M $3M $13.5M The above would consume an additional $3M of the current cap, which means they'd have $11M in cap room to sign draft picks and perhaps add a veteran or two. This would also bring the amount of cap space available to sign FAs next offseason down to $5.5M, which means one or two key players at starting positions. 14m is a lot for your second best cornerback So then don't give Darby $14M; he can't sign a new deal until after the 2017 season anyway. There's a reason that Darby had a regression after Gilmore's injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Here was my rip at the Gilmore deal a few weeks back: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/183724-spotrac-manage-roster-tool-2016-bills-salary-cap/?view=findpost&p=3944148 5 years, $66.5M, $32M guaranteed Year Base Signing Roster Cap Hit Dead Hit Savings 2016 $11M (gtd) $3M -- $14M $32M -$18M 2017 $6M (gtd) $3M -- $9M $18M -$9M 2018 $8M $3M $1.5M $12.5M $9M $3.5M 2019 $10M $3M $1.5M $14.5M $6M $8.5M 2020 $12M $3M $1.5M $16.5M $3M $13.5M The above would consume an additional $3M of the current cap, which means they'd have $11M in cap room to sign draft picks and perhaps add a veteran or two. This would also bring the amount of cap space available to sign FAs next offseason down to $5.5M, which means one or two key players at starting positions. So then don't give Darby $14M; he can't sign a new deal until after the 2017 season anyway. There's a reason that Darby had a regression after Gilmore's injury. I like it, the team could eat the deal after the third year if they needed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I like it, the team could eat the deal after the third year if they needed too. Yep...which is, not coincidentally, when Darby becomes a UFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 @thadbrown7 Gilmore says he will compete at training camp "whenever" he gets there. Would it be at start? "We'll see" #Bills @profootballtalk This year, the daily fine for training-camp holdout spikes from $30,000 to $40,000. Since he according to an unreliable source Vic wants the highest paying CB contract in NFL no wonder he wants to hold out. Probably channeling the dead agent Parker. 14m is a lot for your second best cornerback Give him a contract based on incentives including number of games started/finished and number of tackles. Those will reduce numbers a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Give him a contract based on incentives including number of games started/finished and number of tackles. Those will reduce numbers a bit. His agent would never get another client if he allowed that to happen. The guy is a former top-10 pick that is widely viewed as a No. 1 CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 el oh el same old bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 14m is a lot for your second best cornerback well we hope he is anyway....... I am trying to figure out where Stephon has really done anything to raise the ire of anyone He cracked a Marshawn Lynch joke He is here for mini camp We are not talking abut byrd or peters here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 His agent would never get another client if he allowed that to happen. The guy is a former top-10 pick that is widely viewed as a No. 1 CB. If he cannot stay healthy he should not be asking for top salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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