Orlando Buffalo Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, BillStime said: Just like Trump - can’t take responsibility for anything... And we CAN hold you responsible your voting decisions. thanks champ I am confused now- are you stating that I am responsible for what happens in the city I moved out of 19 years ago? Or am I responsible for actions of people I have never met? What I think you mean is that since someone disagrees with using facts and logic you and other liberals have extra rights because you are triggered.
BillStime Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Buffalo Timmy said: I am confused SHOCKING - a confused Trump voter? No way!!!! 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: SHOCKING - a confused Trump voter? No way!!!! Shocking- an internet troll intentionally taking a quote out of context and then twisting it. 1 2
BillStime Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Shocking- an internet troll intentionally taking a quote out of context and then twisting it. Awe poor baby
B-Man Posted June 5, 2020 Author Posted June 5, 2020 NEVER LET A CRISIS YOU ENGINEERED YOURSELF GO TO WASTE: Riots Are Part of Weeklong Campaign to Defund Police. In Some Places It’s Working.
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, B-Man said: WHO IS BEHIND SYSTEMIC RACISM? THE DEMOCRATIC MACHINES: “Chauvin and the other three cops did what they did because they thought what they had been taught to think by decades of one-party rule in the city, that the fix was already in: if the pols keep their hands off the cops, the police union will deliver the votes.” . I didn't read the article but the title is a stretch. The most likely scenario to me is that Chauvin was probably the senior officer and the other three didn't stop him. That's not an excuse for them but might explain their inaction. Chauvin himself clearly did the wroooooooooong thing. He was probably on tilt somehow and initially overreacted but keeping his knee on someone's neck for three minutes after no pulse can't ever be explained to me. The whole thing is disgusting long before that. Racism? Maybe. Personal vendetta? Maybe. Loss of composure over something that happened before the video? Maybe. It matters and it doesn't at the same time. If it can be shown he did it due to race it is terrible and reflects on him. It also might be a bad sign that cops need to be vetted more generally speaking. It does not prove all cops racist nor does it prove the system racist. If it shown he had a personal beef with George Lloyd and he isn't a racist at all it doesn't prove the system is free of racism. I'm no fan of the monolithic rule mentioned in your headline but this was an act by an individual against an individual. Some are quick to show low numbers of cops killing unarmed black people. Those are data points worth examination. I'm guessing the numbers of cops killing people in one party rule towns is also a low number. Your headline does not pass the smell test....not even close. 1
billsfan1959 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: I'm just coming to the conclusion--ok, just thinking out loud here--that we need more social workers and fewer police. Cops are what they are and they have to be tough to do their jobs, but that inflames situations many times. Instead, how about we have people showing up--with the police-- to domestic abuse, arguments and fights with help instead of just a law enforcement officer. Cops have so much on their plate already, why not let others come in with a different agenda to a situation. I think there is a role for social workers and clinicians and they are currently used in a number of ways. I certainly am open to innovative ways to reduce potential violence in any interactions between the police and the citizens they serve. It is complex, though. Take your example of domestic violence. Believe it or not, responses to domestic violence calls (with actual violence) represent one of the biggest dangers to responding officers. They are always emotionally charged situations with really complex dynamics where police must be wary of potential violence from both offender and victim. Safety of everyone involved is always the first consideration and doesn't always lend itself to de-escalating emotions. There are so many resources available for people in these situations. Unfortunately, they almost all come into play post response. Perhaps we could develop multidisciplinary responses to the actual scene. I think, conceptually, it is a good idea, Tibs. How do we implement it a a way that minimizes risk to non-law enforcement responders? How do we integrate the different roles at the scene? Lots of questions; however, I am open to new ideas. 2 1
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I think there is a role for social workers and clinicians and they are currently used in a number of ways. I certainly am open to innovative ways to reduce potential violence in any interactions between the police and the citizens they serve. It is complex, though. Take your example of domestic violence. Believe it or not, responses to domestic violence calls (with actual violence) represent one of the biggest dangers to responding officers. They are always emotionally charged situations with really complex dynamics where police must be wary of potential violence from both offender and victim. Safety of everyone involved is always the first consideration and doesn't always lend itself to de-escalating emotions. There are so many resources available for people in these situations. Unfortunately, they almost all come into play post response. Perhaps we could develop multidisciplinary responses to the actual scene. I think, conceptually, it is a good idea, Tibs. How do we implement it a a way that minimizes risk to non-law enforcement responders? How do we integrate the different roles at the scene? Lots of questions; however, I am open to new ideas. This is really insightful. Nicely done. I came to this board mostly to amuse myself. And, along the way, I have learned a few things. You know what the hell you’re talking about. I might disagree with some of your politics, but I very much enjoy reading your posts and I appreciate what you have written here. Very, very well done. 3 1
Back2Buff Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Real story coming out: "He is going to get punched in the face." 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Bill Murray’s son Caleb arrested during Black Lives Matter protest </snip> Bill Murray’s son Caleb was arrested and charged on Monday with arson, disorderly conduct and assault and battery on a police officer. According to a report obtained by Page Six from the Edgartown District Court, the 27-year-old was participating in a Black Lives Matter march on Martha’s Vineyard and allegedly got into an altercation with police officers who were responding to an incident taking place at the protest. The incident unfolded during a confrontation between protesters and resident Eric Woods, who allegedly used the N-word before punching a teenager in the crowd </snip> While being transported to the Dukes County Jail after his arrest, Caleb was allegedly uncooperative. Things reportedly got worse once he was placed in a cell. “After being put into a cell,” the report alleges, “he then used a piece of the cell to not only cut himself but cut the deputies.” Another officer claims to have heard Caleb say, “that once he got out of jail he was going to burn down all the f–king buildings.” </snip>
billsfan1959 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: This is really insightful. Nicely done. I came to this board mostly to amuse myself. And, along the way, I have learned a few things. You know what the hell you’re talking about. I might disagree with some of your politics, but I very much enjoy reading your posts and I appreciate what you have written here. Very, very well done. Yeah, I do not believe you and I will be on the exact same page from political perspectives ; however, I think we have some very common ground. I will return the compliment. I have really enjoyed your insight on the issues we have been discussing in this thread. You know what you are talking about as well. I think there have been some good discussions and honest dialogue. I appreciate that whenever I see it. I wish we saw it more at a national level from people on both sides of the political aisle or on both sides of whatever specific issue is being discussed. 1 1
Back2Buff Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, bbb said: A lot of feet in that video You have to go to full screen and to the time in the tweet. I'm sure someone will snip it soon. Check out his twitter profile: https://twitter.com/martingugino 1
Capco Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 23 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Your headline does not pass the smell test....not even close. That's all he ever does. Posts random headlines from the least reputable websites out there. He may as well sign every post of his with "BNN" for B-Man News Network.
B-Man Posted June 5, 2020 Author Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: I didn't read the article but the title is a stretch. The most likely scenario to me is that Chauvin was probably the senior officer and the other three didn't stop him. That's not an excuse for them but might explain their inaction. Chauvin himself clearly did the wroooooooooong thing. He was probably on tilt somehow and initially overreacted but keeping his knee on someone's neck for three minutes after no pulse can't ever be explained to me. The whole thing is disgusting long before that. Your headline does not pass the smell test....not even close. Perhaps if you had actually read the article you would have seen answers to your concerns. Thanks. Edited June 5, 2020 by B-Man 1
LB3 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: Then you'll have no problem explaining the major differences between the protests and why any comparisons to the attitudes expressed in the two threads are invalid. Perceived racial bias vs loss of actual freedom. Many people disagree that the system in the United States is inherently racist and rigged against POC. The anomalies in policing statistics can and often do require more context than just, "Hands up don't shoot." As are so many other things, mistrust of police is taught at home and can be a self fulfilling prophecy. Racism is awful, but can easily be a scapegoat for other issues. What actual freedoms are being fought for here in the United States? I'm not talking about how certain people feel or how they perceive situations. I mean actual freedoms that are being denied. Do we jail citizens for years for not respecting the anthem? Are U.S. citizens banned from protesting? What freedoms that all citizens have are denied by the government to POC? Edit: Admittedly, I also assumed looting wasn't as big of an issue because I've seen not much mention of the looting in Hong Kong. That is also what I believed a large difference to be but can't confirm. Edited June 5, 2020 by LB3
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, B-Man said: Perhaps if you had actually read the article you would have seen answers to your concerns. Thanks. It's a crappy premise. Chauvin didn't commit his horrendous act because because he was somehow conditioned to do it . 16 minutes ago, Capco said: That's all he ever does. Posts random headlines from the least reputable websites out there. He may as well sign every post of his with "BNN" for B-Man News Network. I have not found that to be the case generally but this particular article has a stupid premise. And by "least reputable" I assume you mean "non-commie".
Koko78 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Do you know if the body cameras have sound? They do. I do not know of any body camera models that do not have audio. Here is a definition from the BPD's website about their body camera program: Quote B. Body-Worn Cameras (BWCs) – Small video cameras, typically attached to an officer’s clothing or helmet that maximizes the camera’s ability to capture video and audio data. https://www.bpdny.org/182/Body-Worn-Cameras-Policy 2
B-Man Posted June 5, 2020 Author Posted June 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: It's a crappy premise. Chauvin didn't commit his horrendous act because because he was somehow conditioned to do it . I have not found that to be the case generally but this particular article has a stupid premise. institutionalized racism has been the mantra of the left, this article tries to show how (maybe) that came to be.
Jauronimo Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, LB3 said: Perceived racial bias vs loss of actual freedom. Many people disagree that the system in the United States is inherently racist and rigged against POC. The anomalies in policing statistics can and often do require more context than just, "Hands up don't shoot." As are so many other things, mistrust of police is taught at home and can be a self fulfilling prophecy. Racism is awful, but can easily be a scapegoat for other issues. What actual freedoms are being fought for here in the United States? I'm not talking about how certain people feel or how they perceive situations. I mean actual freedoms that are being denied. Do we jail citizens for years for not respecting the anthem? Are U.S. citizens banned from protesting? What freedoms that all citizens have are denied by the government to POC? Edit: Admittedly, I also assumed looting wasn't as big of an issue because I've seen not much mention of the looting in Hong Kong. That is also what I believed a large difference to be but can't confirm. So the difference in your eyes is one protest is invalid and the other was justified?
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