FireChan Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 JJ Watt and the Texans made the playoffs with crap QBs in 2015. Changing the argument. Really. People blaming Rex on Mario? How many playoff games has Mario won since joining the NFL? jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanCity Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 How many above average QBs did Von Miller play with this year? He played with a first ballot hall of famer. He didn't get first ballot HOF play, but having Peyton run your O invokes a strong sense of confidence in the D I am sure. And, truly, Wade is a way better D coordinator than Thurman and Rex combined. He understood the players and fit the scheme, something that Rex purportedly does, but really doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 everybody's fault but mario's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Changing the argument. Holy ****!!! Coming from you that made me laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Holy ****!!! Coming from you that made me laugh. You know my motto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Holy ****!!! Coming from you that made me laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Really. People blaming Rex on Mario? How many playoff games has Mario won since joining the NFL? jw lol members of the media also use the asinine "count the rings, bro" argument?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) lol members of the media also use the asinine "count the rings, bro" argument?? You're really gonna blame the Detroit coaches? How many playoff games did Barry Sanders win since joining the NFL? Edited February 11, 2016 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I hate the "his production doesn't match his pay" line of "reasoning" in this case. Mario performed at a very high level when utilized properly. It could be argued (and I have) that he was a little overcompensated, but his lack of production this past year was utilization related. The best coaches mold their schemes to fit talent/personnel and we sure didn't see that with Mario or the defense in general last season. His release (when it inevitably happens) is going to be spun as an indictment of Mario, but it really should be seen as a coaching failure. The front office made their choices last offseason. They signed Clay, Shady and Hughes to huge deals and there's only so much money to go around. In fact, it's certainly possible that the coaches didn't tailor their scheme to fit Mario because they'd already decided he was gone after 2015. Regardless of his (mis)utilization last season, the Bills will be losing a lot of talent when he exits. Utilization related? Yea maybe that's a part of the reason but the guy gave up. He quit. You are completely ignoring that fact. Williams had no problem playing in a Mike Pettine schem, which wasn't tailored to Williams. He had no problem playing in a Wade Phillips scheme, who ha wasn't tailored to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Utilization related? Yea maybe that's a part of the reason but the guy gave up. He quit. You are completely ignoring that fact. Williams had no problem playing in a Mike Pettine schem, which wasn't tailored to Williams. He had no problem playing in a Wade Phillips scheme, who ha wasn't tailored to him. He was on pace to having his best season before he (tore his pec? I think?). But he was absolutely vocal about the scheme not being the best for him, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 He was on pace to having his best season before he (tore his pec? I think?). But he was absolutely vocal about the scheme not being the best for him, IIRC. Rex's scheme is in fact a good fit him, he just didn't want to do what it took to make it work. @christrapasso At MW's size w/ power & minimal burst, he's ideal SDE in Rex's D. But MW doesn't want the role & can't pay SDE $20M. May have been mad about his role, but burst was nonexistent this yr. Good run-stop DE. Not a 10-15 sack guy anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Rex's scheme is in fact a good fit him, he just didn't want to do what it took to make it work. @christrapasso At MW's size w/ power & minimal burst, he's ideal SDE in Rex's D. But MW doesn't want the role & can't pay SDE $20M. May have been mad about his role, but burst was nonexistent this yr. Good run-stop DE. Not a 10-15 sack guy anymore. I was referring to Wade/Houston in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I am not blaming Rex for Mario's behavior. That's Mario's behavior. His alone I'm blaming Rex for not being very good at his job to use a talent like Mario and to keep him satisfied. A good coach is a good manager. A good people person. And learns how to use premier talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I am not blaming Rex for Mario's behavior. That's Mario's behavior. His alone I'm blaming Rex for not being very good at his job to use a talent like Mario and to keep him satisfied. A good coach is a good manager. A good people person. And learns how to use premier talent. Please then provide justification for Mario's inability to beat blockers one-on-one. Rex detractors keep referencing Mario's skill...well, when given the opportunity to showcase those skills, Mario didn't. Period. And that's entirely on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Did Houston even make the playoffs in his Texans career? 2011 I think, though I believe he went on IR about 1/3 of the way into the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Please then provide justification for Mario's inability to beat blockers one-on-one. Rex detractors keep referencing Mario's skill...well, when given the opportunity to showcase those skills, Mario didn't. Period. And that's entirely on him. he was in the starting lineup. That's my justification. Rex either did not have anyone to replace him - clearly wrong. Or the balls to pull himWhy was he still playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Please then provide justification for Mario's inability to beat blockers one-on-one. Rex detractors keep referencing Mario's skill...well, when given the opportunity to showcase those skills, Mario didn't. Period. And that's entirely on him. Exactly. You would think Rex was playing him at safety or something. Did people not see Mario repeatedly handled 1 on 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I am not blaming Rex for Mario's behavior. That's Mario's behavior. His alone I'm blaming Rex for not being very good at his job to use a talent like Mario and to keep him satisfied. A good coach is a good manager. A good people person. And learns how to use premier talent. As long as season tickets continue to be sold, not one person on One Bills Drive gives a schit about any of this. When winning becomes as important as selling season tickets, the Bills will start to win. Until then, get ready for the 17th year in a row. But, by Jesus, the Bills will be "entertaining," on their way to another .500-ish record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 he was in the starting lineup. That's my justification. Rex either did not have anyone to replace him - clearly wrong. Or the balls to pull him Why was he still playing? Clearly wrong? I guess I'm missing the DE talent that was sitting on the bench... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Clearly wrong? I guess I'm missing the DE talent that was sitting on the bench...you're not seeing the point if Mario was not beating blockers AND not giving effort wouldn't anyone be better? Wouldn't a good coach do something about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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