Steve Billieve Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 In my mind you really aren't truly competitive without a franchise QB. Every other position can be addressed in free agency . I think you always draft a QB every year that you don't have a top 12 paid QB on your roster (or a guy you are certain will be a top 12 paid guy). As long as your QB is cheap, you should have no problem "filling holes" in free agency. The only way to seriously upgrade QB is through the draft. It really is impossible to end up with too many good QBs on your roster. All of that is definitely true. However, here we are with no spending money and a promising, cheap, 5th year, QB acquired in free agency. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 All of that is definitely true. However, here we are with no spending money and a promising, cheap, 5th year, QB acquired in free agency. Go figure. I agree, IMO with a legit #2 WR, another decent lineman and maintaining balance this offence could be playoff calibre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Actually, it's beyond pompous to tell me what I'd be saying under any circumstances I'm entirely capable of making an evaluation based upon his play. In fact, if you're basing the evaluation on his record as a starter, then I believe it's flawed. Every lowbrow QB you reference is from over 14 years ago. The NFL is a QB driven league now. The goal is to have a QB with whom you can win a super bowl. The closest guy you can compare to the rag tag crop that you reference in the last 10 years is Flacco, and he was exceptional that postseason. And as I said, if you're comfortable with him after 14 starts, then great. I'm not there yet, and therefore I'm 100% behind drafting another potential franchise guy. LOL. Flawed? Oh I'd love to hear this explanation. Go ahead. You seem to be such an expert. Why aren't you working for the NFL? NFL is a QB driven league? Tyrod is fully capable of improving on those numbers if he gets help. There's no doubt in my mind that we'd be a playoff team if Rex didn't fck up the defense and you wouldn't be btching about Tyrod right now. I get what you're saying though. I guess I was wrong this whole time. Clearly you only need a QB to win the Super Bowl. Running game, o-line, defense doesn't matter. All you need is that one QB to get you over the hump. Dam. We should've gotten rid of Jim Kelly while we had the chance. We would've won a super bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) LOL. Flawed? Oh I'd love to hear this explanation. Go ahead. You seem to be such an expert. Why aren't you working for the NFL? NFL is a QB driven league? Tyrod is fully capable of improving on those numbers if he gets help. There's no doubt in my mind that we'd be a playoff team if Rex didn't fck up the defense and you wouldn't be btching about Tyrod right now. I get what you're saying though. I guess I was wrong this whole time. Clearly you only need a QB to win the Super Bowl. Running game, o-line, defense doesn't matter. All you need is that one QB to get you over the hump. Dam. We should've gotten rid of Jim Kelly while we had the chance. We would've won a super bowl. You obviously don't get what I'm saying or you wouldn't think I'm "bitching" about Tyrod Yes, basing a QB evaluation largely upon his record is flawed. Anyone with a decent skill set can win a few games when in the right situation. Fitz, Foles, McCown, are recent examples. I'm looking for long term stability at the position. Coordinators have a season of tape on Taylor now, and you better believe it'll be tougher next year. The point is quite simple: the best way to proffer long term success is to have a franchise QB. It prevents you from having to be excellent everywhere else to have a shot at winning every year. And yes, there are most certainly talented QBs in this draft. Nobody knows if they'll be the answer either, but the wise thing to do is to hedge the bet on Taylor by drafting one. That's true whether you like it or not. Edited January 14, 2016 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 He's also slight of frame and exposes himself to injury every game. Of course they need to strongly consider drafting a QB. Can we keep this thread to discussing QB prospects please? Appreciate your excellent analyses Bandido! Sorry, you're right. This isn't going anywhere. Also I appreciate the sentiment. Back on topic: who do you like at QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Sorry, you're right. This isn't going anywhere. Also I appreciate the sentiment. Back on topic: who do you like at QB? I'd be prepared to take Goff or Cook if they are still there at #19. I think Goff will be long gone, Cook might still be there. I see all the criticisms of Cook, I hear all the knocks on him and he played a really an up and down game in the Big 10 Championship game. But he still just looks like a possible franchise Quarterback to me. It looks to me like he is capable of going through progressions and I just like the way he throws the football. If I was the GM even if there was a prospect at another position I was really in love with I think I would be severely tempted to turn in the card with Connor Cook's name on it if he is sitting there for me. I wouldn't touch Lynch with a 9 foot barge pole. I haven't seen anything of Wentz really to make a judgment. So that is where I am on the consensus top 4 prospects. I would consider Hogan as I have already said as a mid-late round guy. I would not want Kessler under any circumstances and I don't want Dak Prescott. Hackenburg intrigues me but there are enough flags I think that you wouldn't want to pull the trigger before the third... and he might be gone by then. They are the only guys I have watched so can't comment on Doughty or others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 One guy I haven't given a good enough evaluation to is Brandon Allen of Arkansas. I watched the Liberty Bowl against KSU last night and he looked great--lots of positives. Hoping I can find 3 or 4 more games of his to digest, because I really liked what I saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 One guy I haven't given a good enough evaluation to is Brandon Allen of Arkansas. I watched the Liberty Bowl against KSU last night and he looked great--lots of positives. Hoping I can find 3 or 4 more games of his to digest, because I really liked what I saw. Are you sure you're talking about the right guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Are you sure you're talking about the right guy? Yes There were a lot of positives to his game. He may well be draftable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Finally got around to Brandon Doughty. Got to admit, not a big fan. Ticks the boxes for height/weight pretty easily. Solid mechanics. Good arm strength. Footwork is okay, think the field at LSU was the root cause of some of his issues in that game. Accuracy/placement is passable, not great. Works predominently out of shotgun/pistol sets. Shows the ability to manipulate defenders well, can pick apart zone coverage effectively. Does lock on to defined pre-snap reads a little too much (possible that the scheme holds him back in this regard). Can hold the ball a little too long at times, not sure he has a natural feel for pressure in the pocket. Struggles to speed up his processes under pressure. Decision making can be a bit erratic. Given his age (6th year senior), has an injury history (nothing recent though) and the need to learn how to take snaps under center of a regular basis, he came out as a 6th rounder. Wouldn't hate him for the Bills but I don't see him being much more than a career backup. If the task is to find a guy to develop, I'd pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 One guy I haven't given a good enough evaluation to is Brandon Allen of Arkansas. I watched the Liberty Bowl against KSU last night and he looked great--lots of positives. Hoping I can find 3 or 4 more games of his to digest, because I really liked what I saw. daniel Jeremiah likes him @movethesticks Watching more Brandon Allen (Arkansas QB) tape tonight. I really like him. Comfortable in/out of pocket. Accurate. Smooth/easy motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 What the hell is going on? I'm in some weird draft Twilight Zone where Brandon Allen is good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 What the hell is going on? I'm in some weird draft Twilight Zone where Brandon Allen is good... I think I saw the same game Bandit did of Allen and I'm at least curious. I think people look for different things when they talk about backup types. Not entirely sure he's good but he might be backup material. Same with Kevin Hogan and Joel Stave. I don't like them as starter/developmental guys but they might be good long term backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I think I saw the same game Bandit did of Allen and I'm at least curious. I think people look for different things when they talk about backup types. Not entirely sure he's good but he might be backup material. Same with Kevin Hogan and Joel Stave. I don't like them as starter/developmental guys but they might be good long term backups. I don't know what people are seeing. I see horrible ball placement, sloppy footwork (worse than EJ's), bad recognition (he completely disregards a wide open TD pass down the seam in that K St. game. Not sure he'd be able to make the throw anyway.). I turned that video off before it was even over. Huge project in my opinion. Definitely not worth a draft pick. I'm honestly curious about what I'm missing. Maybe he has some much better games to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonechiller Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 BPA, with more focus "up the middle" C, ILB, DT, S, QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I don't know what people are seeing. I see horrible ball placement, sloppy footwork (worse than EJ's), bad recognition (he completely disregards a wide open TD pass down the seam in that K St. game. Not sure he'd be able to make the throw anyway.). I turned that video off before it was even over. Huge project in my opinion. Definitely not worth a draft pick. I'm honestly curious about what I'm missing. Maybe he has some much better games to watch. Never watch Arkansas but... @nfldraftscout #Arkansas QB Brandon Allen reminds me quite a bit of Jimmy Garoppolo. And I think he can start in the NFL eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Never watch Arkansas but... @nfldraftscout #Arkansas QB Brandon Allen reminds me quite a bit of Jimmy Garoppolo. And I think he can start in the NFL eventually. Shows consistency, at least. I didn't like Garoppolo, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Why finding a franchise QB is the key to long-term success: NBC Sports - ProFootballTalk: Ben, Peyton, Brady are 13 of the last 15 AFC Super Bowl quarterbacks http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/17/ben-peyton-brady-are-13-of-the-last-15-afc-super-bowl-quarterbacks/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Why finding a franchise QB is the key to long-term success: NBC Sports - ProFootballTalk: Ben, Peyton, Brady are 13 of the last 15 AFC Super Bowl quarterbacks http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/17/ben-peyton-brady-are-13-of-the-last-15-afc-super-bowl-quarterbacks/ And Flacco set records during the Ravens playoff run. But I digress. The model teams want to follow is the Dilfer model. Concentrate of filling holes at safety and using high draft picks on running back, and just assume any QB you plug in will win the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 And Flacco set records during the Ravens playoff run. But I digress. The model teams want to follow is the Dilfer model. Concentrate of filling holes at safety and using high draft picks on running back, and just assume any QB you plug in will win the Super Bowl. Not one NFL team follows that model--including this one (that spent a 1st round pick on a QB in 2013). I have no idea why you think that anyone does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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