Tiberius Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 On Thursday, the New Orleans City Council voted 6-1 in favor of an ordinance that paves the way for the removal of four Confederate monuments. They include monuments that honor Confederate Generals Robert E. Lee and P.G.T. Beauregard, one for President Jefferson Davis, as well as a monument to the postwar battle of Liberty Place. In that 1874 uprising, the Crescent City White League, a white-supremacist group, briefly overthrew an integrated Reconstruction government. This decision constitutes the most sweeping removal of Confederate iconography since the lowering of the Confederate battle flag in Columbia, South Carolina, this past summer, and offers the clearest evidence yet that the Lost Cause view of the Civil War has finally lost. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/new-orleans-remove-confederate-monuments/421059/ Good move! Shouldn't have trash like that on their streets 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Why do you consider them trash? Shall they be removed from history books as well? Why are you and others so offended and/or threatened by our history? Ooooooh questions........... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/new-orleans-remove-confederate-monuments/421059/ Good move! Shouldn't have trash like that on their streets Trash like Robert E. Lee? You're an ignorant little ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Today I learned Gator and ISIS have the same feelings about history and monuments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Today I learned Gator and ISIS have the same feelings about history and monuments. It had never occurred to me to liken the removal of 'offensive' American historical monuments to the radical Islamists' removal of 'offensive' non-Muslim monuments. This is an excellent point, and I would be fascinated to see any logical counter to that argument. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Oh look, another little gater LAMP. How cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The Confederacy was a group of traitors. That they weren't summarily executed when the war ended is a testament to something called "forgiveness" and "tolerance". You may want to look it up. I wouldn't expect to see monuments in honor of Goebbels standing in Germany. Robert E. Lee's allegiance was to his state as opposed to his country. I wouldn't call him a POS, but he was a traitor. Had the Confederacy won, then the story would be different. Being from the North, I didn't grow up with statues of traitors all over. However, it probably is time they go to a museum where they belong. "War's over. You lost. Get over it." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/new-orleans-remove-confederate-monuments/421059/ Good move! Shouldn't have trash like that on their streets Why is it a good move? What makes it trash? Its a part of their history. Edit It's important to understand history, and not just the parts you find convenient for your agenda. The Confederacy was a group of traitors. That they weren't summarily executed when the war ended is a testament to something called "forgiveness" and "tolerance". You may want to look it up. I wouldn't expect to see monuments in honor of Goebbels standing in Germany. Robert E. Lee's allegiance was to his state as opposed to his country. I wouldn't call him a POS, but he was a traitor. Had the Confederacy won, then the story would be different. Being from the North, I didn't grow up with statues of traitors all over. However, it probably is time they go to a museum where they belong. "War's over. You lost. Get over it." Your comparing a fanatical Nazi to the American civil war confederacy.... Got it. Edited December 18, 2015 by drinkTHEkoolaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The Confederacy was a group of traitors. That they weren't summarily executed when the war ended is a testament to something called "forgiveness" and "tolerance". You may want to look it up. I wouldn't expect to see monuments in honor of Goebbels standing in Germany. Robert E. Lee's allegiance was to his state as opposed to his country. I wouldn't call him a POS, but he was a traitor. Had the Confederacy won, then the story would be different. Being from the North, I didn't grow up with statues of traitors all over. However, it probably is time they go to a museum where they belong. "War's over. You lost. Get over it." Erasing history doesn't change it, it merely assures that the same mistakes will get repeated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The Confederacy was a group of traitors. That they weren't summarily executed when the war ended is a testament to something called "forgiveness" and "tolerance". You may want to look it up. I wouldn't expect to see monuments in honor of Goebbels standing in Germany. Robert E. Lee's allegiance was to his state as opposed to his country. I wouldn't call him a POS, but he was a traitor. Had the Confederacy won, then the story would be different. Being from the North, I didn't grow up with statues of traitors all over. However, it probably is time they go to a museum where they belong. "War's over. You lost. Get over it." Being from up north, you grew up with statues of revolutionary war 'traitors' everywhere. That you don't see the similarity between the two surprises me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) Why is it a good move? What makes it trash? Its a part of their history. It's important to understand history, and not just the parts you find convenient for your agenda. Your comparing a fanatical Nazi to the American civil war confederacy.... Got it. In a post that lectures us about "forgiveness and "tolerance"............................hysterical. I wonder what the enlightened class 150 years from now will wipe out in our society. *********************************************************************************************************** And here is the real reason: The decision spurred in June when Democratic Mayor Mitch Landrieu, who is eyeing a Senate bid, requested the statues be taken out of the public square and placed in a museum. Edited December 18, 2015 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The Confederacy was a group of traitors. That they weren't summarily executed when the war ended is a testament to something called "forgiveness" and "tolerance". You may want to look it up. I wouldn't expect to see monuments in honor of Goebbels standing in Germany. Of course, Goebbels wasn't a traitor. An accurate analogy would be a statue of Canaris or von Stauffenberg Robert E. Lee's allegiance was to his state as opposed to his country. Which was common at the time. So you judge people 150 years ago on today's attitude that states are arbitrary bureaucratic boundaries, and not independent or semi-independent entities? That says more about you than it does about Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The Confederacy was a group of traitors. That they weren't summarily executed when the war ended is a testament to something called "forgiveness" and "tolerance". You may want to look it up. I wouldn't expect to see monuments in honor of Goebbels standing in Germany. Robert E. Lee's allegiance was to his state as opposed to his country. I wouldn't call him a POS, but he was a traitor. Had the Confederacy won, then the story would be different. Being from the North, I didn't grow up with statues of traitors all over. However, it probably is time they go to a museum where they belong. "War's over. You lost. Get over it." Waaaaait a minute. You're gator's mom aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Being from up north, you grew up with statues of revolutionary war 'traitors' everywhere. That you don't see the similarity between the two surprises me. I don't really see the similarities between the Revolution against a monarchy three thousand miles away and the slave holders rebellion that attempted to destroy our country 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I don't really see the similarities between the Revolution against a monarchy three thousand miles away and the slave holders rebellion that attempted to destroy our country All the more reason to learn from history rather than destroying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Trash like Robert E. Lee? You're an ignorant little ****. What makes him so worthy? Sending his men to almost certain death at Malvern Hill? Brilliant move! All the more reason to learn from history rather than destroying it. Griffin's writings promote conspiracy theories about the political and health care systems. His book World Without Cancer argues that cancer is a nutritional deficiency that can be cured by consuming amygdalin, a view regarded as quackery by the medical community.[1][3][4] He is an HIV/AIDS denialist, supports the 9/11 Truth movement, and supports John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories.[1] He believes Noah's Ark is located in Turkey at the Durupınar site.[5] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 What makes him so worthy? Sending his men to almost certain death at Malvern Hill? Brilliant move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/new-orleans-remove-confederate-monuments/421059/ Good move! Shouldn't have trash like that on their streets you cant erase the past, or make it right by removing artifacts that represent it. These items are a good reminder, good contrast to what we have achieved today as a Country. As much as I don't agree with The Confederacy, its important part of things we hold true and dear today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 What makes him so worthy? Sending his men to almost certain death at Malvern Hill? Brilliant move! His American war record, dumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 His American war record, dumbass. Cut to: Gator furiously looking on Wiki for a way to prove America wasn't really America until after the Civil War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 His American war record, dumbass. That's not why they were honoring him and you know it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 That's not why they were honoring him and you know it Then why don't you tell us why I don't really see the similarities between the Revolution against a monarchy three thousand miles away and the slave holders rebellion that attempted to destroy our country Slaves weren't the reason for the civil war. In that note, many of the more influential colonists leading the rebellion were slave owners themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M4b2f41e25264b164d3697bb87e1d5ebbo0&w=259&h=172&c=7&rs=1&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.1 The latest excremental statue to be removed. Edited December 18, 2015 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Then why don't you tell us why Slaves weren't the reason for the civil war. In that note, many of the more influential colonists leading the rebellion were slave owners themselves. Slavery was the reason for the South's secession and the American colonists did not separate to preserve slavery Oh, and Lee's victories in the slave holders rebellion was the reason he was honored. Tom's argument that it was because of his role in the US army is stupid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Slavery was the reason for the South's secession and the American colonists did not separate to preserve slavery Oh, and Lee's victories in the slave holders rebellion was the reason he was honored. Tom's argument that it was because of his role in the US army is stupid Yes. Toms argument is so stupid West Point named barracks after Lee in the 1960s for his service in the US army. Again, it's one thing to be ignorant of history, it's another to be a dumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Slavery was the reason for the South's secession and the American colonists did not separate to preserve slavery Oh, and Lee's victories in the slave holders rebellion was the reason he was honored. Tom's argument that it was because of his role in the US army is stupid My argument was that Lee WAS NOT TRASH, you !@#$ing idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 It had never occurred to me to liken the removal of 'offensive' American historical monuments to the radical Islamists' removal of 'offensive' non-Muslim monuments. This is an excellent point, and I would be fascinated to see any logical counter to that argument. Cheers! likely never occurred to you because it's ridiculous. no one is destroying history. new Orleans and Charleston have just finally realized that only a very small minority of americans feel it defensible to celebrate a traitorous, shameful part of our history. the evbidence remains in honorable places like the Lincoln monument and the Smithsonian. no one is closing down confederate museums. no one has made confederate symbolism illegal. what they've done is remove them from sanctioned government spaces. it's long overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 My argument was that Lee WAS NOT TRASH, you !@#$ing idiot. Ok, not trash, but his statue should still be trashed IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Then why don't you tell us why Slaves weren't the reason for the civil war. In that note, many of the more influential colonists leading the rebellion were slave owners themselves. maybe someone should have told Abraham Lincoln and the vast majority of civil war scholars. the revisionist historians have lost. the lost cause is just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 maybe someone should have told Abraham Lincoln and the vast majority of civil war scholars. the revisionist historians have lost. the lost cause is just that. The Civil War scholars are working with the climate change scientists, or that's what I've been told 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The Civil War scholars are working with the climate change scientists, or that's what I've been told yes, and isis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I don't really see the similarities between the Revolution against a monarchy three thousand miles away and the slave holders rebellion that attempted to destroy our country The colonies rebelled against the crown and sought independence. The Confederacy rebelled against the US and sought independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) likely never occurred to you because it's ridiculous. no one is destroying history. new Orleans and Charleston have just finally realized that only a very small minority of americans feel it defensible to celebrate a traitorous, shameful part of our history. the evbidence remains in honorable places like the Lincoln monument and the Smithsonian. no one is closing down confederate museums. no one has made confederate symbolism illegal. what they've done is remove them from sanctioned government spaces. it's long overdue. It's not a ridiculous comparison by any stretch. The PC crowd (which has gone off the reservation whether you sit on the right or the left of the political spectrum) wants to whitewash away any history that's uncomfortable. ISIS wants to white wash any history that isn't Islamic. I have no problem with moving monuments to museums and off of public owned land, that's not the same thing as destroying monuments. Yet, what Gator is suggesting is exactly what ISIS is doing all throughout the middle east. That he doesn't see the parallels only shows his ignorance. It's shameful. Erasing history doesn't change it, it only changes how much we can learn from past mistakes... dooming us to repeat them. Ok, not trash, but his statue should still be trashed IMO Edited December 18, 2015 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 likely never occurred to you because it's ridiculous. no one is destroying history. new Orleans and Charleston have just finally realized that only a very small minority of americans feel it defensible to celebrate a traitorous, shameful part of our history. the evbidence remains in honorable places like the Lincoln monument and the Smithsonian. no one is closing down confederate museums. no one has made confederate symbolism illegal. what they've done is remove them from sanctioned government spaces. it's long overdue. That's pretty weak. I never said anyone was actually trying to destroy history. You don't seem to be able to see a connection in the logic of PC America's cries to tear that thing down because it offends me and the radical Islamists' cries to tear that thing down because it offends me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 That's pretty weak. I never said anyone was actually trying to destroy history. You don't seem to be able to see a connection in the logic of PC America's cries to tear that thing down because it offends me and the radical Islamists' cries to tear that thing down because it offends me. I see the connection. it's called a slippery slope and it's described in the fallacy link I recently posted. civil war history is alive and well. civil war memorabilia is present in abundance. there is no existential threat. pc America's claims are amply countered by racists hate groups. fear not. It's not a ridiculous comparison by any stretch. The PC crowd (which has gone off the reservation whether you sit on the right or the left of the political spectrum) wants to whitewash away any history that's uncomfortable. ISIS wants to white wash any history that isn't Islamic. I have no problem with moving monuments to museums and off of public owned land, that's not the same thing as destroying monuments. Yet, what Gator is suggesting is exactly what ISIS is doing all throughout the middle east. That he doesn't see the parallels only shows his ignorance. It's shameful. Erasing history doesn't change it, it only changes how much we can learn from past mistakes... dooming us to repeat them. no one is erasing history. the Gettysburg address and the emancipation proclamation are etched into stone at the Lincoln memorial. no doubt some obscure contemporary confederate documents are as well in some lost cause museum. there are still confederate apologists writing books. amazon has plenty. no one is removing them for sale or circulation. I suspect that multiple books supporting the lost cause idea are available in both of our local public libraries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Sean Payton's bust outside the Superdome will be next to come down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 We have a lot of Native American memorials out west. They lost the war too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 We have a lot of Native American memorials out west. They lost the war too... so your contention is that the confederate memorials are being removed because they lost the civil war? you guys are embarrassing yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 so your contention is that the confederate memorials are being removed because they lost the civil war? you guys are embarrassing yourselves. It helps to read all the responses, they were responding to bizrul's silliness in reply #7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 no one is erasing history. ISIS is. And Gator wants to do the same to Lee's statue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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