B-Man Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 YEP: “Trouble with the catchphrase ['Love trumps hate'] is that no one associates Hillary with love.” KIMBERLEY STRASSEL: No Political Guardrails: President Obama broke all the boundaries—and now Clinton and Trump are following suit. Mr. Obama doesn’t need anyone to justify his actions, because he’s realized no one can stop him. He gets criticized, but at the same time his approach has seeped into the national conscience. I t has set new norms. You see this in the ever-more-outrageous proposals from the presidential field, in particular front-runners Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Mrs. Clinton routinely vows to govern by diktat. On Wednesday she unveiled a raft of proposals to punish companies that flee the punitive U.S. tax system. Mrs. Clinton will ask Congress to implement her plan, but no matter if it doesn’t. “If Congress won’t act,” she promises, “then I will ask the Treasury Department, when I’m there, to use its regulatory authority.” Mrs. Clinton and fellow liberals don’t like guns and are frustrated that the duly elected members of Congress (including those from their own party) won’t strengthen background checks. So she has promised to write regulations that will unilaterally impose such a system. On immigration, Mr. Obama ignored statute with executive actions to shield illegals from deportation. Mrs. Clinton brags that she will go much, much further with sweeping exemptions to immigration law. For his part, Mr. Trump sent the nation into an uproar this week with his call to outright ban Muslims from entering the country. Is this legally or morally sound? Who cares! Mr. Trump specializes in disdain for the law, the Constitution, and any code of civilized conduct. Guardrails are for losers. He’d set up a database to track Muslims or force them to carry special IDs. He’d close mosques. He’d deport kids born on American soil. He’d seize Iraq’s oil fields. He’d seize remittance payments sent back to Mexico. He’d grab personal property for government use. M r. Obama’s dismantling of boundaries isn’t restrained to questions of law; he blew up certain political ethics, too. The press and political class let him burn it all down because they agreed with him, and besides he was black so to complain would be racist or something. Now they can’t figure out how to survive the wind that will blow, now that everything that can stop it has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I wonder what Trump will call his party if he runs as a third candidate? The National White Peoples party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I wonder what Trump will call his party if he runs as a third candidate? The National White Peoples party? I see no reason not to call it the "Know Nothing" party, which was the name of the last purely nativist major party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I wonder what Trump will call his party if he runs as a third candidate? The National White Peoples party? National Strengthen & Defibrillate America Party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Well, he’s got the Hitler vote. The neo-Nazi website, Daily Stormer, was out and proud earlier this week: “Heil Donald Trump — the Ultimate Savior.” After endorsing the Republican presidential front-runner earlier this year for his call to deport 11 million Mexican immigrants, the fomenters of American fascism have now added an apt twist to his slogan, one not far from the truth of the campaign: “Make America White Again.” http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/11/opinion/campaign-stops/goose-steppers-in-the-gop.html?ref=opinion&_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/11/opinion/campaign-stops/goose-steppers-in-the-gop.html?ref=opinion&_r=0 Obama got the black panther vote. So what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Obama got the black panther vote. So what? And there you go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Hamas gave Obama their endorsement. Didn't seem to bother any of his voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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birdog1960 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) The first bolded statement conflicts with the next. not at all. best case for trump in general election imo: 60% repub, 25% dem vote 50% independent for popular vote. that's about 42% of the vote. not nearly enough. in the electoral vote all obama blue states go dem, at least half purple states go dem. Edited December 12, 2015 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 not at all. best case for trump in general election imo: 60% repub, 25% dem vote 50% independent for popular vote. that's about 42% of the vote. not nearly enough. in the electoral vote all obama blue states go dem, at least half purple states go dem. That's probably about right on for his high water mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) The first bolded statement conflicts with the next.How so? Romney had what, 40-50 million votes in the last presidential election? The point being you can be a longshot to win and still have a large swath of idiots behind you. Edit: I'm not commenting on Romney voters when I say "idiots". Edited December 12, 2015 by yall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 How so? Romney had what, 40-50 million votes in the last presidential election? The point being you can be a longshot to win and still have a large swath of idiots behind you. Edit: I'm not commenting on Romney voters when I say "idiots". Trumps voters voted for Romney also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Lol....love to see at least one candidate not afraid of those goons.... One of the worlds wealthiest businessmen, Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, had sharp words for Trump on Friday, telling him via Twitter to withdraw from the presidential race, as you will never win. Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddys money. Cant do it when I get elected. #Trump2016 http://nypost.com/2015/12/12/saudi-prince-calls-trump-disgrace-to-america/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Lol....love to see at least one candidate not afraid of those goons.... One of the worlds wealthiest businessmen, Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, had sharp words for Trump on Friday, telling him via Twitter to withdraw from the presidential race, as you will never win. Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddys money. Cant do it when I get elected. #Trump2016 http://nypost.com/2015/12/12/saudi-prince-calls-trump-disgrace-to-america/ I couldnt care less what any Saudi thinks of our candidates. Sure glad Obama went on a global apology tour to save face that really helped our foreign policy. I want who is best for America and our own interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 not at all. best case for trump in general election imo: 60% repub, 25% dem vote 50% independent for popular vote. that's about 42% of the vote. not nearly enough. in the electoral vote all obama blue states go dem, at least half purple states go dem. So, if Hillary is the dem nominee you think that 40% of republicans will vote for her? I'm not a Trump supporter and hope that someone else will get the nod, but I would hold my nose and vote for him over voting for Hillary. Hillary is so despised by anyone from slightly center-left to far right that I don't think she would gain 5% of anyone considered republican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 So, if Hillary is the dem nominee you think that 40% of republicans will vote for her? I'm not a Trump supporter and hope that someone else will get the nod, but I would hold my nose and vote for him over voting for Hillary. Hillary is so despised by anyone from slightly center-left to far right that I don't think she would gain 5% of anyone considered republican. She would be lucky to even get 5%. She's not even well-liked among Dems. I'd say it's far more likely 40% of Dems vote for Trump than 40% of Repubs vote for Shrill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 So, if Hillary is the dem nominee you think that 40% of republicans will vote for her? I'm not a Trump supporter and hope that someone else will get the nod, but I would hold my nose and vote for him over voting for Hillary. Hillary is so despised by anyone from slightly center-left to far right that I don't think she would gain 5% of anyone considered republican. Given a choice between Trump v Clinton, how many of those Republicans would choose not to vote at all? How many would vote 3rd party? Lefties on the other hand will fall in line. They'll piss and moan about Wall Street, the Iraq War, and the Old Lady, but at the end of the day folks like JTSP will do what is expected of them. It's what lemmings do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Given a choice between Trump v Clinton, how many of those Republicans would choose not to vote at all? How many would vote 3rd party? Lefties on the other hand will fall in line. They'll piss and moan about Wall Street, the Iraq War, and the Old Lady, but at the end of the day folks like JTSP will do what is expected of them. It's what lemmings do. You've identified the real question. I've stated here that I'd have to hold my nose to vote for him, but I'm not sure if the lines were long at the polling place that I'd wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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