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29 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4148684/Stunning-photos-reveal-life-Iran-revolution.html

 

Tibs has already loudly proclaimed he's "team Langley". So, overthrowing a moderate, secular regime and installing instead a torturing, murdering, dickbag with a bum spleen because he'll give us better trade deals is just part of the CIA doing its job to tibs. 

 

There's been no blowback from the CIA's use of false flags and regime change in Iran. It's been all roses and sunshine since "team Langley" got involved. 

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2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

From your link, Iranians before the revolution.

 

 

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Damn, look at those sluts in their knee length skirts.  Good thing Iran never turned away from modernity, huh?

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54 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Tibs has already loudly proclaimed he's "team Langley". So, overthrowing a moderate, secular regime and installing instead a torturing, murdering, dickbag with a bum spleen because he'll give us better trade deals is just part of the CIA doing its job to tibs. 

 

There's been no blowback from the CIA's use of false flags and regime change in Iran. It's been all roses and sunshine since "team Langley" got involved. 

Ummm false, I was stationed at Langley and that's all. The overthrow was a crime, IMO. But Ike was crazy about not letting the Soviet get the oil there. 

 

But to the point, that CIA takeover did press an oppressive regime on the people of Iran which was overthrown by the religious zealots who then imposed strict religious rule on the country. Let's not pretend the Iranian people just choose this crap. There are many westernized Iranians and there would be more if allowed to have the freedom to choose for themselves. 

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

From your link, Iranians before the revolution.

 

 

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You think that is what the average Iranian's life was like? Ya right. The  upper crust maybe, but not the poor slobs living day to day. You fail 

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35 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Ummm false, I was stationed at Langley and that's all. The overthrow was a crime, IMO. But Ike was crazy about not letting the Soviet get the oil there. 

 

But to the point, that CIA takeover did press an oppressive regime on the people of Iran which was overthrown by the religious zealots who then imposed strict religious rule on the country. Let's not pretend the Iranian people just choose this crap. There are many westernized Iranians and there would be more if allowed to have the freedom to choose for themselves. 

You think that is what the average Iranian's life was like? Ya right. The  upper crust maybe, but not the poor slobs living day to day. You fail 

 

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7 hours ago, LeviF91 said:

 

lol right

 

 

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Whats the avg?

 

About 50% depending on varrying factors ( which is what i said ). Its basically a split.

 

Whats the poliing among Christians?

5 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

We all know that the Libertarians support The One World Order.

No we dont support the silliness of border walls or nationalism

 

The ideology is focused on the individual

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6 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

Whats the avg?

 

About 50% depending on varrying factors ( which is what i said ). Its basically a split.

 

Whats the poliing among Christians?

No we dont support the silliness of border walls or nationalism

 

The ideology is focused on the individual

 

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16 hours ago, westerndecline said:

Whats the avg?

 

About 50% depending on varrying factors ( which is what i said ). Its basically a split.

 

 

You don't know how averages work.  And it doesn't matter what the "average" is, you're the one advocating that we let any and all of those folks polled into the US.

 

16 hours ago, westerndecline said:

 

Whats the poliing among Christians?

 

 

Even if we take your 50% out-of-your-ass number at face value, theonomy is a fringe view at best in Christianity in the US.  But now we're way out of your depth, as opposed to just moderately out of your depth.

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4 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

You don't know how averages work.  And it doesn't matter what the "average" is, you're the one advocating that we let any and all of those folks polled into the US.

 

 

Even if we take your 50% out-of-your-ass number at face value, theonomy is a fringe view at best in Christianity in the US.  But now we're way out of your depth, as opposed to just moderately out of your depth.

This is where u lost me.

 

I grew up in the evangelical church

 

A majority want a theocracy

 

A global civilization makes your borders arbitrary and pointless...

 

The muslims cant stop secular/enlightenment values either genius.

 

Globalization and the internet are going to make their beliefs a moot point regardless because their religion and culture is going through a renaissance and reformation as we speak...

 

Something the west already had

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6 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

I was wondering where your penchant for being extraordinarily dense came from.  It all makes sense now.

 

:lol:

 

"Theonomy is a fringe view in the US."

"No it's not, I grew up in an evangelical church!"

 

Oh, okay...then it must be mainstream.

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4 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

Ad hominem

 

 

 

No, see, I didn't say you're dense because I'm using that to say that your argument sucks.  Your argument sucks on its face and has no sources of data aside from your upbringing in an evangelical church (that you clearly resent, try a therapist).  Your density is self-evident.  Greg Bahnsen is dead and so is his kooky brand of postmillennial theology. 

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21 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Ummm false, I was stationed at Langley and that's all. The overthrow was a crime, IMO. But Ike was crazy about not letting the Soviet get the oil there. 

Ike was worried about Russian influence in the region to be sure, but Russia certainly didn’t need the oil. And while the CIA gets credit for the overthrow, it was really an MI6 led plan but the British needed cover given their interests in Iran. And that interest can be spelled in one word, oil. When Mossadegh had the temerity to nationalize that industry in Iran, BP and the Brits couldn’t let it stand, he was ousted, the Shah installed, and Khomeini and other clerics considered to be radical, were banished.

 

The chain of events since BP first discovered oil in Persia in the early 1900s is fascninating. If there is one commonality worldwide since, it’s that any country leader that attempts to nationalize that industry will be dealt with harshly. History bears that out. Big oil has been in bed with some of the most ruthless regimes and dictators throughout and as long as those leaders played ball, things were cool. Rock that boat and bad things happened. 

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8 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Ike was worried about Russian influence in the region to be sure, but Russia certainly didn’t need the oil. And while the CIA gets credit for the overthrow, it was really an MI6 led plan but the British needed cover given their interests in Iran. And that interest can be spelled in one word, oil. When Mossadegh had the temerity to nationalize that industry in Iran, BP and the Brits couldn’t let it stand, he was ousted, the Shah installed, and Khomeini and other clerics considered to be radical, were banished.

 

The chain of events since BP first discovered oil in Persia in the early 1900s is fascninating. If there is one commonality worldwide since, it’s that any country leader that attempts to nationalize that industry will be dealt with harshly. History bears that out. Big oil has been in bed with some of the most ruthless regimes and dictators throughout and as long as those leaders played ball, things were cool. Rock that boat and bad things happened. 

Great post! 

 

It's my understanding that Ike felt the Cold War was at one level a battle for resources and letting the Soviet get ahold of that much oil would hurt our side. I'm sure in some future history books, or books themselves, oil will be the connecting theme of those stories. WW2 can be seen as a war for oil. Japan wanting Shell oil in Indonesia and Hitler wanting Russia oil--and more. 

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1 hour ago, LeviF91 said:

 

No, see, I didn't say you're dense because I'm using that to say that your argument sucks.  Your argument sucks on its face and has no sources of data aside from your upbringing in an evangelical church (that you clearly resent, try a therapist).  Your density is self-evident.  Greg Bahnsen is dead and so is his kooky brand of postmillennial theology. 

 

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3 hours ago, westerndecline said:

Ad hominem

 

 

 

You made a fallacious extrapolation of personal experience to the population at large, and I made a sarcastic observation that your logic is invalid, that concerned the content of the statement you made, and not the person making it.

 

That's not an ad hominem attack.  That's an ad retardum attack.

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You made a fallacious extrapolation of personal experience to the population at large, and I made a sarcastic observation that your logic is invalid, that concerned the content of the statement you made, and not the person making it.

 

That's not an ad hominem attack.  That's an ad retardum attack.

Strawman fallacy

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Might as well put this here since this is sort of what happened in Europe.

 

http://www.gopusa.com/?p=35279?omhide=true

 

Muslim students at Loyola University in Chicago say the Catholic institution’s celebration of Christmas highlights an unfortunate indifference to holidays like Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha.

A recent column in the Loyola Phoenix by writer Sajedah Al-khzaleh, “Religious Holidays Aren’t Represented Equally on Campus,” bemoans her school’s focus on Catholic traditions while those of other faiths are downplayed, adding that the private Jesuit university founded in 1870 should do more to make international students feel comfortable.

“Although Loyola fosters a space for non-Christian religions to practice their faith — such as in the Damen Student Center’s second floor of Ministry Offices for Muslim, Hindu and Jewish students — there is a lack of public festivity compared to Christmas, such as decorations and activities of other religions’ holidays the entire student body could be part of,” the author wrote.


But the Eid is celebrated only among Loyola Muslim students themselves, which includes a morning prayer service and a dinner, according to Ahmed. Decorations aren’t hung on campus buildings nor activities hosted by the university.

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14 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Might as well put this here since this is sort of what happened in Europe.

 

http://www.gopusa.com/?p=35279?omhide=true

 

Muslim students at Loyola University in Chicago say the Catholic institution’s celebration of Christmas highlights an unfortunate indifference to holidays like Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha.

A recent column in the Loyola Phoenix by writer Sajedah Al-khzaleh, “Religious Holidays Aren’t Represented Equally on Campus,” bemoans her school’s focus on Catholic traditions while those of other faiths are downplayed, adding that the private Jesuit university founded in 1870 should do more to make international students feel comfortable.

“Although Loyola fosters a space for non-Christian religions to practice their faith — such as in the Damen Student Center’s second floor of Ministry Offices for Muslim, Hindu and Jewish students — there is a lack of public festivity compared to Christmas, such as decorations and activities of other religions’ holidays the entire student body could be part of,” the author wrote.


But the Eid is celebrated only among Loyola Muslim students themselves, which includes a morning prayer service and a dinner, according to Ahmed. Decorations aren’t hung on campus buildings nor activities hosted by the university.

 

Sure.  As soon as King Fahd University starts celebrating Christmas, we'll get right on that.

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7 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Sure.  As soon as King Fahd University starts celebrating Christmas, we'll get right on that.

They come to a country full of infidels, enroll in a university that personifies the Christian religion and expect that university to bend to their customs. F'em.

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37 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/151/Reductio-ad-Absurdum

 

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...reductio ad absurdum is a technique to expose the fallacy.

 

Emphasis mine.  Jesus, you are a !@#$ing moron.  :lol:

 

I have that book.  You should read anything else, since you wouldn't understand it.

32 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

You can't read either :lol: this is too much

 

Too bad he doesn't realize he just gave an excellent example of the gatorman fallacy.

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47 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

 

Emphasis mine.  Jesus, you are a !@#$ing moron.  :lol:

 

I have that book.  You should read anything else, since you wouldn't understand it.

 

Too bad he doesn't realize he just gave an excellent example of the gatorman fallacy.

Can u quote where it doesnt expose your fallacy

 

???

 

So hilarious

47 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

 

Emphasis mine.  Jesus, you are a !@#$ing moron.  :lol:

 

I have that book.  You should read anything else, since you wouldn't understand it.

 

Too bad he doesn't realize he just gave an excellent example of the gatorman fallacy.

 

 

I said reductio ad absurdum

 

( because) your argument taken to its end is absurdity...

 

Are ppl really this stupid?

 

Im sincerely wondering

 

U must be trolling. Nobody is this dumb

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More Jews flee Paris, saying they no longer feel safe amid rising anti-semitism ...

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