Manther Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Not to mention covering the center on the FG which led to a TD drive. And the refs picking up the flag for roughing the passer on TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Nelson piquet, Willie Nelson, Nelson Piquet Jr. BTW, get out of bounds you tool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Not even close. In fact, when he is stripped, he is still clearly still moving forward. Whether he is being pushed, pulled or under his own power, if he is moving forward, there can't be a whistle to stop play. In fact, there is a sliver of a second where he is not moving forward the whole play---then he continued forward. http://www.nfl.com/videos/buffalo-bills/0ap3000000549171/Giants-Prince-Amukamara-recovers-Bills-Robert-Woods-fumble That video looks like it's sped up to me. I don't think that is normal speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Not even close. In fact, when he is stripped, he is still clearly still moving forward. Whether he is being pushed, pulled or under his own power, if he is moving forward, there can't be a whistle to stop play. In fact, there is a sliver of a second where he is not moving forward the whole play---then he continued forward. http://www.nfl.com/videos/buffalo-bills/0ap3000000549171/Giants-Prince-Amukamara-recovers-Bills-Robert-Woods-fumble He was clearly trying to get away from them and their attempts to strip the ball and their momentum was carrying him forwards. That much is obvious. There was a good 2 seconds they were pecking at the ball during which the zebra could have blown the whistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I dont think either side of this argument can be won. Easy for me to say he should have gotten out of bounds or get down quicker. I am not going to fault Robert on this one. bad luck IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I dont think either side of this argument can be won. Easy for me to say he should have gotten out of bounds or get down quicker. I am not going to fault Robert on this one. bad luck IMO. Of course it can be won HE LOST THE BALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 He was clearly trying to get away from them and their attempts to strip the ball and their momentum was carrying him forwards. That much is obvious. There was a good 2 seconds they were pecking at the ball during which the zebra could have blown the whistle. You mean when he was churning upfield and if their hands came free he would've done all he could to turn and run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Of course it can be won HE LOST THE BALL Yes i gathered that. thank you John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Yes i gathered that. thank you John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 ha!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 You mean when he was churning upfield and if their hands came free he would've done all he could to turn and run? That's a big if. Since he went to the turf after they stripped the ball, it seemed to me that he was trying to wrestle the ball out of their grasp by going to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 He was stood up but forward progress wasn't stopped. Look at it again. He could have simply ran out of bounds there but was stubborn. This. Bobby caught the first down, you tippytoe out of bounds to stop the clock. The one thing you do not do is turn back to the inside and go upfield to trade maybe 5 more yards for 45 seconds on the clock. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Don't forget Lonnie Johnson. The Wile E Coyote! A classic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 This. Bobby caught the first down, you tippytoe out of bounds to stop the clock. The one thing you do not do is turn back to the inside and go upfield to trade maybe 5 more yards for 45 seconds on the clock. Stupid, stupid, stupid. The Wile E Coyote! A classic! The play occurred outside of the last 5 minutes of the end of the game, meaning the playclock would have started after they spotted the ball on the LOS. It might have saved maybe 8 seconds. And I was wrong earlier. The Bills would have had to go 164 yards just to tie the game, not 181, but in 6-1/2 minutes, not 7-1/2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Tracy Nelson Charles Nelson Reilly Ozzie Nelson Harriet Nelson Baby Face Nelson Nelson Riddle Judd Nelson Nelson Eddy Admiral Horatio Lord Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. WEO Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) That video looks like it's sped up to me. I don't think that is normal speed. say what? He was clearly trying to get away from them and their attempts to strip the ball and their momentum was carrying him forwards. That much is obvious. There was a good 2 seconds they were pecking at the ball during which the zebra could have blown the whistle. It doesn't matter what they were doing. He was making forward progress when he was stripped. It's clear. If he had not been stripped and those last few steps forward had been the difference between a first down and a punt, you certainly would not be making this argument Edited October 6, 2015 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 It doesn't matter what they were doing. He was making forward progress when he was stripped. It's clear. If he had not been stripped and those last few steps forward had been the difference between a first down and a punt, you certainly would not be making this argument If he had not been stripped, no one would be talking about how he should have gone out of bounds. It's all Monday morning QB'ing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) That's one of those things where Woods stayed up just enough to keep the play alive. They could have blown the whistle but they were indeed right not to. Good effort by Woods but a dumb effort as he should have known to go out of bounds or go down. He had the first. It was another play that killed the Bills chances late. Wasn't there a similar play a few years back with Chandler vs KC where they basically stood him up, kept him from going down or OOB, and stripped the ball? The explanation was the play wasn't dead because the Bills OL was shoving him forward from behind the pile. If he had not been stripped, no one would be talking about how he should have gone out of bounds. It's all Monday morning QB'ing. It's a Known Thing now that opponent's D will try to hold a player up and create a turnover if they can. So the OOB thing, sure, but players do have to stay out of that situation where they're prevented from going down and the play stays alive until the ball gets coughed up - and it will get coughed up eventually with enough D beating on it. Especially at the end of the game where clock management is important Edited October 6, 2015 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 If he had not been stripped, no one would be talking about how he should have gone out of bounds. It's all Monday morning QB'ing. Nope, the topic is whether he had stopped forward progress. Clearly the video has shown he had not, your attempts to claim otherwise notwithstanding. So questioning his decision (which was questioned in real time, not on Monday, doc) is legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 The problem I have with it is that although Woods was still fighting for progress, they were holding him up while stripping the ball. Maybe he should have just fallen down on the ground but at a certain point I don't think he could have without losing the football so he just had to try to hold on. No whistle was coming though so inevitably he was stripped. Thats on Woods though, and he should have recognized that he needed to protect the ball their rather than keep pushing for yards. The Refs called by the rule book. Because Woods was still gaining forward progress, they let the play go. Had he just stopped pushing forward and wrapped the ball up or gone to the ground, play over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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