BADOLBILZ Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Shady = still nursing a bad hammy. So injury prone? Or just too much mileage? Like I said........I was not the least bit surprised that he played with a different level of determination...and subsequently much better.......last week when the ESPN trucks were there early and the focus of the NFL nation was on Pats/Bills. If he's going to half-step his way thru this year he should just take a month off so we don't have to be fed the hammy excuse for 16 weeks. Unfortunately, with Fred Jackson gone there isn't another capable rotational back to keep Karlos touches down to 15 so we might be exposed to more 1 ypc afternoons from the $8M veteran presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) So injury prone? Or just too much mileage? Like I said........I was not the least bit surprised that he played with a different level of determination...and subsequently much better.......last week when the ESPN trucks were there early and the focus of the NFL nation was on Pats/Bills. If he's going to half-step his way thru this year he should just take a month off so we don't have to be fed the hammy excuse for 16 weeks. Unfortunately, with Fred Jackson gone there isn't another capable rotational back to keep Karlos touches down to 15 so we might be exposed to more 1 ypc afternoons from the $8M veteran presence. Two of the biggest concerns I had with McCoy. Although too much mileage and injuries are often hand in hand with a RB. RB's breaks down and decline faster than any other position. High priced, older RB's under years of guaranteed money = bad assets. Edited September 28, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 So injury prone? Or just too much mileage? Like I said........I was not the least bit surprised that he played with a different level of determination...and subsequently much better.......last week when the ESPN trucks were there early and the focus of the NFL nation was on Pats/Bills. If he's going to half-step his way thru this year he should just take a month off so we don't have to be fed the hammy excuse for 16 weeks. Unfortunately, with Fred Jackson gone there isn't another capable rotational back to keep Karlos touches down to 15 so we might be exposed to more 1 ypc afternoons from the $8M veteran presence. Injury prone? Explain how often he's been injured and how many games he's missed? yes, he hurt his hamstring. It's unfortunate but it happens to many players. Just think, we could have kept Kiko and signed Murray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Just think, we could have kept Kiko and signed Murray. Why? Is Murray good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Injuries aside, it's strange, both teams payed way too much for the RB position, and neither McCoy and Murray are in the right offensive scheme. Edited September 28, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Injury prone? Explain how often he's been injured and how many games he's missed? yes, he hurt his hamstring. It's unfortunate but it happens to many players. Just think, we could have kept Kiko and signed Murray. This. And what a CF keeping Kiko and signing Murray would have been. Injuries aside, it's strange, both teams payed way too much for the RB position, and neither McCoy and Murray are in the right offensive scheme. How do you figure? Again the hamstring is an issue for Shady. On a wet grass surface, I didn't expect much more than what I saw out of him yesterday. But I agree that maybe they should give him some time off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Injury prone? Explain how often he's been injured and how many games he's missed? yes, he hurt his hamstring. It's unfortunate but it happens to many players. Just think, we could have kept Kiko and signed Murray. The excuse last year was that McCoy was injured. The excuse this year is that McCoy is injured. I personally think it's a combination of things, including a comfortable bank account. I didn't like trading an asset.....a talented young player on a cheap rookie deal and under team control for several years....for a very high mileage RB with a rep for not hitting the hole with authority anymore. But what blew the deal was extending his contract. And I don't think they initially anticipated having to re-work his deal......because he was pretty well paid for a RB......but did so to save face after a snap decision to swing the deal. ALL of McCoy's value was tied to the fact that much of his contract was already paid and the Bills totally negated that value and turned it into a trade for negotiation rights. As for DeMarco Murray........I don't think ANYONE anticipated the Bills paying a RB in free agency. Just not good policy. Karlos Williams is just another example of how easy backs are to find in the middle of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 The excuse last year was that McCoy was injured. The excuse this year is that McCoy is injured. I personally think it's a combination of things, including a comfortable bank account. I didn't like trading an asset.....a talented young player on a cheap rookie deal and under team control for several years....for a very high mileage RB with a rep for not hitting the hole with authority anymore. But what blew the deal was extending his contract. And I don't think they initially anticipated having to re-work his deal......because he was pretty well paid for a RB......but did so to save face after a snap decision to swing the deal. ALL of McCoy's value was tied to the fact that much of his contract was already paid and the Bills totally negated that value and turned it into a trade for negotiation rights. As for DeMarco Murray........I don't think ANYONE anticipated the Bills paying a RB in free agency. Just not good policy. Karlos Williams is just another example of how easy backs are to find in the middle of the draft. Where did you get that? As for your insinuation that he's fat and happy with his contract, he signed a 5-year $45M contract with the Eagles prior to the 2012 season and still was among the best RB's in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Why? Is Murray good? sarcasm PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Where did you get that? As for your insinuation that he's fat and happy with his contract, he signed a 5-year $45M contract with the Eagles prior to the 2012 season and still was among the best RB's in the NFL. Foot injury nagged him all year. That and he complained that his legs felt sluggish........which is high mileage-ese for I'm losing a step but I think it's something else. Edited September 28, 2015 by #BADOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 If I'm Rex, I'm feeling confident enough in Karlos to rest Shady for a few games. We need him healthy down the stretch, no need to push him out there right now. Bring up Cierre Wood to spell Karlos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Foot injury nagged him all year. That and he complained that his legs felt sluggish........which is high mileage-ese for I'm losing a step but I think it's something else. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Link? He has had a lingering toe injury since last training camp with the eagles. I thought I heard at one point that it flared up again prior to this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) He has had a lingering toe injury since last training camp with the eagles. I thought I heard at one point that it flared up again prior to this season.How many games has he missed due to injury in his career? That's right, six. Calling him injury prone is just not true. But you keep holding on to your Shady shade. Edited September 28, 2015 by GreggyT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 How is this even an issue for discussion anymore? Kiko was really good when he was a rookie. IIRC his sophomore year was quite underwhelming. His season this year is over already. So he's played in 18 NFL games and might not play again. Shady's a special talent. Let's enjoy him while he's here and we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 How is this even an issue for discussion anymore? Kiko was really good when he was a rookie. IIRC his sophomore year was quite underwhelming. His season this year is over already. So he's played in 18 NFL games and might not play again. Shady's a special talent. Let's enjoy him while he's here and we can. Most, not all, of the people making it an issue in this thread are posters who have a trolling sickness when it comes to the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 @Jeff_McLane: Kiko Alonso is currently seeing Dr. Andrews for a second opinion on his partial ACL tear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 How many games has he missed due to injury in his career? That's right, six. Calling him injury prone is just not true. But you keep holding on to your Shady shade. What about just worn down from high mileage? Not really sure if another 2-3 weeks off will be enough time off for Shady's hammy/toe etc.. He already had a couple weeks off before the opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 So injury prone? Or just too much mileage? Like I said........I was not the least bit surprised that he played with a different level of determination...and subsequently much better.......last week when the ESPN trucks were there early and the focus of the NFL nation was on Pats/Bills. If he's going to half-step his way thru this year he should just take a month off so we don't have to be fed the hammy excuse for 16 weeks. Unfortunately, with Fred Jackson gone there isn't another capable rotational back to keep Karlos touches down to 15 so we might be exposed to more 1 ypc afternoons from the $8M veteran presence. Lol. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Lol. Good post. Actually it wasn't. Sounds like BADOL got snubbed for an autograph by Shady. That or he's a huge Chip Kelly fan and seeing the effects of having Kelly in charge of personnel decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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