YoloinOhio Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) That whole organization is a paper tiger. Irsay is a loose cannon, Grigson is a total fraud as a talent evaluator (sans the selection of T.Y. Hilton), and Pagano has done next to nothing with that defense despite them throwing stupid money around every offseason. i will bust the myth he was even responsible for TY Hilton or anyone in the 2012 draft. When Chris Polian was fired as GM (and Bill left as a result though it was spun differently) they cleared out some of Polian's scouts. The one guy irsay kept from the Polian regime was Director of Pro Personnel/asst GM Tom Telesco. Telesco was in fact in line for the GM job which they ultimately decided to give to Indiana native Grigson. Telesco had been with the colts for 15 years - from college scout to pro scout and on up. He was in charge of the draft for the last few years he was there. Any draft recommendation came from him and his scouts. Grigson got there sometime in January 2012. The draft evaluations/board were already set save for any last minute tweaks from combines, workouts, interviews. Hilton was recommended by Telesco and the entire body of scouting work done to that point. Grigson's name is on the pick for timing and title only. The report that Pagano will be the one to lose this power struggle is alarming. Irsay is unfit to run the team if that happens. Edited September 8, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) Honestly, I think this is going to be an interesting matchup. I think our DBs look to be outmatched, but both their O-line and D-line look to be in shambles. I honestly think we can shut down Gore with 6 in the box. And with Jones out and Tyrod a running threat they'll need at least 8 men in the box at all time. I'm liking the matchup more and more. As do I. The Bills are capable of shutting the Colts offense down and their defense is far from scary. Remember the Colts only managed 7points against NE in the Championship game, and only 7 against the Cowboys late in the year on the road. The managed 17 points against Houston late in the year at home. None of those defenses are a good as Buffalo's. Frank Gore gives them a theoretically better running attack, but that really does remain to be seen, especially with Gore's high mileage. I do not expect Pagano to outcoach Rex in the O vs. D game. The Bills at home on opening day, in Game 1 of Ryan's Buffalo tenure, favors the Bills. I like Buffalo to win this game, and perhaps big. Edited September 8, 2015 by MDFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasBillsFan1 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Luck and the Colts 1st O Line looked suspect against Chicago in preseason week 2. Chicago's D won the line of scrimmage consistently and put LOTS of pressure on Luck. Granted, it was preseason but perhaps telling .... ? If Buffalo can take care of the ball, I think Bills get the win. HUGE game ... we need that conference win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemedic Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Why are we so thin at DB?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Why are we so thin at DB??we aren't thin. Missing a starter. Depth is there, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 The best way to do that would be run the ball successfully and keep Luck on the sidelines. Hopefully McCoy will be ready when he debuts for the Buffalo Bills. McCoy is already practicing. We should get the injury report soon, but Arthur Jones is put and apparently the Colts run defense is looking really, really bad so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 i will bust the myth he was even responsible for TY Hilton or anyone in the 2012 draft. When Chris Polian was fired as GM (and Bill left as a result though it was spun differently) they cleared out some of Polian's scouts. The one guy irsay kept from the Polian regime was Director of Pro Personnel/asst GM Tom Telesco. Telesco was in fact in line for the GM job which they ultimately decided to give to Indiana native Grigson. Telesco had been with the colts for 15 years - from college scout to pro scout and on up. He was in charge of the draft for the last few years he was there. Any draft recommendation came from him and his scouts. Grigson got there sometime in January 2012. The draft evaluations/board were already set save for any last minute tweaks from combines, workouts, interviews. Hilton was recommended by Telesco and the entire body of scouting work done to that point. Grigson's name is on the pick for timing and title only. The report that Pagano will be the one to lose this power struggle is alarming. Irsay is unfit to run the team if that happens. I do remember you mentioning that about Telesco now that I think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 i will bust the myth he was even responsible for TY Hilton or anyone in the 2012 draft. When Chris Polian was fired as GM (and Bill left as a result though it was spun differently) they cleared out some of Polian's scouts. The one guy irsay kept from the Polian regime was Director of Pro Personnel/asst GM Tom Telesco. Telesco was in fact in line for the GM job which they ultimately decided to give to Indiana native Grigson. Telesco had been with the colts for 15 years - from college scout to pro scout and on up. He was in charge of the draft for the last few years he was there. Any draft recommendation came from him and his scouts. Grigson got there sometime in January 2012. The draft evaluations/board were already set save for any last minute tweaks from combines, workouts, interviews. Hilton was recommended by Telesco and the entire body of scouting work done to that point. Grigson's name is on the pick for timing and title only. The report that Pagano will be the one to lose this power struggle is alarming. Irsay is unfit to run the team if that happens. The Colts have been living off borrowed time for too long...they are due for a run of mediocrity. It's a shame they got Luck but maybe the rest of us will "luck" out and they'll continue to draft poorly and make ridiculous trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 MMQB Deep Dive into Colts offense http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/09/08/indianapolis-colts-frank-gore-running-game-andrew-luck-nfl-offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I saw somewhere on the internet that we can beat the Colts by underinflating the footballs. Any truth to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 MMQB Deep Dive into Colts offense http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/09/08/indianapolis-colts-frank-gore-running-game-andrew-luck-nfl-offense Is anyone else thinking the Colts are a bit overhyped? I mean they look good and definitely could beat us. But I keep hearing them as Superbowl contenders, but their run defense and o-line look possibly even worse than last year. You can win a lot of games on Luck's arm and mop up bad teams...but I feel like against physical teams that may be outmatched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 @ProFootballWire: #NFL Chuck Pagano: Theres a possibility Robert Mathis plays Sunday http://t.co/SykyTJcvpz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 expected back sometime in first month of season, but not game 1 Since he's on IR/NFI thought the rules precluded him coming back to practice for 6 weeks, game for 8? Or does it count training camp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Since he's on IR/NFI thought the rules precluded him coming back to practice for 6 weeks, game for 8? Or does it count training camp? that post was from before he was placed on short term IR. The new time frame since then is he can practice starting the Tuesday after week 6 (10/13) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 As do I. The Bills are capable of shutting the Colts offense down and their defense is far from scary. Remember the Colts only managed 7points against NE in the Championship game, and only 7 against the Cowboys late in the year on the road. The managed 17 points against Houston late in the year at home. None of those defenses are a good as Buffalo's. Frank Gore gives them a theoretically better running attack, but that really does remain to be seen, especially with Gore's high mileage. I do not expect Pagano to outcoach Rex in the O vs. D game. The Bills at home on opening day, in Game 1 of Ryan's Buffalo tenure, favors the Bills. I like Buffalo to win this game, and perhaps big. Not having Dareus wreak havoc will hurt the Bills line. He is a game changer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Not having Dareus wreak havoc will hurt the Bills line. He is a game changer Don't sell Corbin Bryant short. He's not Dareus, but he's pretty darn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Don't sell Corbin Bryant short. He's not Dareus, but he's pretty darn good. agreed. Would start on most other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 @zkeefer: Chuck Pagano says that starting running back Frank Gore will be on a pitch count, at least to start the season. Need him for playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) @zkeefer: Chuck Pagano says that starting running back Frank Gore will be on a pitch count, at least to start the season. Need him for playoffs. Hmm, planning for the playoffs in September. Doesn't seem like the right mentality to have Edited September 9, 2015 by CNY315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 @zkeefer: Chuck Pagano says that starting running back Frank Gore will be on a pitch count, at least to start the season. Need him for playoffs. Talk about putting the cart before the horse. Still, I'm alight with it. They don't seem to be taking the Bills seriously, and no one, no one they have at running back scares me after Gore. Does anyone think the Bills can't stop the run with 6 men in the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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