Big Gun Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I'm not sure that any of this is fair. He only played in 43 games at FSU. I just don't think that it's enough time to evaluate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Thrown into the fire by Doug Maroon, and his sidekick Mr Can't Hackett. I think a wet mat had some help in that matter. I doubt it was the Saint's intention to have EJ start his rookie year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Pretty much summarizes my opinion. I watch most FSU games being in Florida, and I KNEW the EJ pick was impossibly stupid the moment it happened. I have to agree. Anybody that actually watches college football knew this pick had bust written all over it. Look EJ by all accounts is a class act & a good kid but he is not a true QB. His shortcomings I don't think you could teach & they can't be learned. The Bills panicked & it was a wasted pick. Another way of looking at it though is at least they traded down, got an extra pick, took Kiko which eventually netted us Shady. So all in all not a horrible totally thrown away pick like the maybin pick or the Mike Williams pick. Well, gang, this preseason we'll get a chance to see if any of EJ's shortcomings have been mitigated through his offseason work and his experience watching from the sidelines last year. Despite what some say he hasn't been horrible in camp (certainly not like last year), but the only thing that matters is when the "lights come on" in a real game. I still don't know why any Bills fan isn't rooting for the guy. Have you actually gone to camp & watched him? I haven't gone to camp but by most accounts from what I have heard is he has been pretty rotten. I am just interested to see if you have seen anything different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Have you actually gone to camp & watched him? I haven't gone to camp but by most accounts from what I have heard is he has been pretty rotten. I am just interested to see if you have seen anything different. No I haven't gone to camp, but I rely on what the coaches have said and respected observers like Astro. I haven't heard anyone say EJ has been rotten. Last year that was not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 If James Winson is so god like at QB....then why does he throw so many interceptions? It's time for Dug Whammy to admit he made a mistake with DJ Manual and let Dex Bryan just go with Mat Castle or Roddy Baylor at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 It's time for Dug Whammy to admit he made a mistake with DJ Manual and let Dex Bryan just go with Mat Castle or Roddy Baylor at QB. Wasn't it Billy Nixon's mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 It's time for Dug Whammy to admit he made a mistake with DJ Manual and let Dex Bryan just go with Mat Castle or Roddy Baylor at QB. haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Wasn't it Billy Nixon's mistake? Maybe Dug Whammy made the Manual pick and Gus Cramden was the one who pushed him into it. Billy Nixon was a bystander at that point. It didn't help that their HC, Herron, had already picked Tate Sackett to be both QB coach and offensive coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I don't understand what folks don't understand about the EJ pick. The team needed a potential franchise guy to groom, since they hadn't attempted to draft one in nearly a decade. It wasn't a great year for franchise QB prospects, so they did the smart thing, traded down for extra picks, and then took the guy with the most physical tools (size, athleticism, arm, intelligence, work ethic, etc.). What is so confusing about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY Nole Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 If James Winson is so god like at QB....then why does he throw so many interceptions? Winston also had 65 TD's to go with his 28 Int. For comparison: Winston - FSU Career: 851 Pass Attempts, 65 TD 28 Int. Jim Kelly - UM Career: 676 Pass Attempts, 33 TD 28 Int. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 So where do FSU fans rate in credibility? WGR > FSU Fans > Astro? I don't discredit the knocks on him, they tend to be in the realm of accurate but seriously, does this really need to be a thing? When EJ washes out of the NFL, shortly, it won't be. I'm not sure that any of this is fair. He only played in 43 games at FSU. I just don't think that it's enough time to evaluate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Name one quality NFL QB from FSU... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I don't understand what folks don't understand about the EJ pick. The team needed a potential franchise guy to groom, since they hadn't attempted to draft one in nearly a decade. It wasn't a great year for franchise QB prospects, so they did the smart thing, traded down for extra picks, and then took the guy with the most physical tools (size, athleticism, arm, intelligence, work ethic, etc.). What is so confusing about that? Why did they need a starting QB in 2013? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Why did they need a starting QB in 2013? Is this a serious question? Name one quality NFL QB from FSU... Name a quality NFL QB from Cal prior to Aaron Rodgers. Sorry, but that's a silly argument...take players on a case-by-case basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 When EJ washes out of the NFL, shortly, it won't be. I'd wager that EJ will have a very long NFL career. He's got the tools and is self motivated and works hard. That's not a guy who will wash out of the NFL. It's possible he never develops into a legit starter, but there is always a place in the league for QBs like him. Hell, despite how many here want to paint things he's still in this QB competition and is giving Cassel a run for his money. Cassel being the 10 year vet. But yeah, EJ will wash out of the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Is this a serious question? Name a quality NFL QB from Cal prior to Aaron Rodgers. Sorry, but that's a silly argument...take players on a case-by-case basis. So you are comparing EJ to Aaron Rodgers? Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Is this a serious question? Of course it is. But can you answer it without deflecting from the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I'd wager that EJ will have a very long NFL career. He's got the tools and is self motivated and works hard. That's not a guy who will wash out of the NFL. It's possible he never develops into a legit starter, but there is always a place in the league for QBs like him. Hell, despite how many here want to paint things he's still in this QB competition and is giving Cassel a run for his money. Cassel being the 10 year vet. But yeah, EJ will wash out of the league... Last time I checked, it was kinda hard to get a job being a NFL QB if you had a hard time hitting the water if you were in a row boat in the middle of the ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 From a college board - all teams - in general very critically thinking fans: 1. Bills saw a 6'5 guy with great character, personality, and work ethic and failed to notice he was not a QB worth drafting anywhere near that high. EJ is a great guy and played for my team but I said at the time he was a guaranteed bust, was shocked any professionals could watch his tape and see a 1st rd pick. His biggest problems weren't really ones you can dramatically improve. Yoy either have good timing, anticipation, and feel for the gane or you don't. A QB with horrible anticipation, timing, and ability to read a defense in college is not someone you draft on day 1. EJ would wait until a WR made his break and was open and stationary before he would throw it. The very first game Jameis played it was night and day, Jameis anticipated and threw before guys even broke. WRs didn't have to wait on the ball because of an EJ floater or late throw. Not everyone is Winston, but EJ had god awful timing and anticipation. Jameis could also read a defense, see the field, and knew where his WRs were supposed to be 10 times better in game 1/as a FR than EJ as a Sr. I don't think EJ always knew where everyone was supposed to be which is why he had to wait until they were there to throw it. Jameis knew where people were supposed to be so he was anle to anticipate better. EJ is a smart guy but I don't think he was football smart. 2. I'm a Nole and will never understand how they saw tape of EJ and thought he was first rd much less a top 15 talent. Dude had horrible timing on his passes, couldn't even read a college defense, threw floaters, constantly spun away 10 yards to turn a 10 yard sack into a 20 yard sack, couldn't go through his progressions, etc x 10. God damn you hit this **** right on the head. Him getting drafted in the first round will probably go down as one of the biggest WTF moments in the history of the NFL draft. I literally laughed when he was drafted. Look, nice guy, represented our school with class and all that jazz, but he was horrendous. He was absolutely the governor on that 2012 team. Had we started Winston over him, I have no doubt we atleast make the national championship game and probably win it. That 2012 team was just as loaded as 2013. 3. EJ could never hit the broad side of a barn! That's why he never played for a NC at FSU. Jameis took the very same roster EJ had and won a Heisman and a NC as a Freshman! I was shocked to see EJ get drafted in the first round after continually over throwing every WR for 4 years. 4. Just to reiterate what fellow Noles are saying ITT, I was floored when EJ was taken 15th overall. All those guys with alleged great FB minds looked at the tape of his career and thought he was the answer. It fvcking amazes me that multiple people signed off on that pick. What a disaster. Just a great kid that has slow eyes and no killer instinct. How does that happen? i did not cherry pick a thread on our QB situation. There's much more here: http://forums.rivals.com/threads/holy-****-ej-manuel-is-a-waste-of-space.185328/#post-4622295 You will never see VT fans talk this way about Tyrod. In fairness, FSU fans are spoiled by 5-star talent and feel entitled to win more than most fan bases - not necessarily a bad thing - just is. I saw this on the Mainboard and it's nothing new. Most honest Noles fan were as shocked as everyone else when he was taken that high but they used it as a feather in Jimbo's cap for recruiting. Anyone who actually watched his games knew that Jimbo dumbed down the offense for him and that he was average at best. This should shock no one accept his fanboy club. I don't understand what folks don't understand about the EJ pick. The team needed a potential franchise guy to groom, since they hadn't attempted to draft one in nearly a decade. It wasn't a great year for franchise QB prospects, so they did the smart thing, traded down for extra picks, and then took the guy with the most physical tools (size, athleticism, arm, intelligence, work ethic, etc.). What is so confusing about that? Because he wasn't good maybe? You take a prospect with long term potential in the 3rd or 4th round, not the first. Why is that so confusing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Last time I checked, it was kinda hard to get a job being a NFL QB if you had a hard time hitting the water if you were in a row boat in the middle of the ocean. Last time I checked young QBs struggle with accuracy until they get comfortable with the system and speed of the game. If you are rushing your throws because you're unsure of what you're seeing it leads to - wait for it - inaccurate throws. All the talk of "you can't improve accuracy" is a bunch of bunk. Most QBs have their completion percentage improve through their first 4-5 years in the league. It's amazing to me how nobody will cut this kid any slack. You'd think he was a douchebag with as much as people pile on a young guy trying to learn the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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