Kirby Jackson Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) With you entirely here. It's a pretty simple proposition; you either become a pocket passer or you fail in this league. Russell Wilson is experiencing success for precisely that reason; he has become a pocket passer and this forces a defense to defend more of the field. If Taylor can't develop into that type of QB, he has little chance for long term success as a starter. GO BILLS!!! Who says that he can't though? He may be as good in the pocket already as EJ and Cassel, both of whom have more experience. I am simply suggesting that the skillset that he has that differentiates himself from other QBs in the league at this point is his ability to make plays when things break down. Edited June 16, 2015 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 The word on TT is that he is NOT a run first QB We need to let this play out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 As a backup. But as the founding member of the ABC (anyone but Cassel) club, I'd root for him like crazy if he wins the job. But as a lesser version of Vick, who has been a disaster the last few years, I struggled to see Taylor could be an every game starter. But if Roman (not Rex) thinks he is a starter, I'll roll with it. Not saying you're wrong, but why do you conclude Taylor is lesser than Vick? Taylor broke all Vick's records at VT. Also, note that VIck is in the mid-30s. If you're comparing Vick and Taylor, compare them at the same age. Vick was winning division titles for Atlanta back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Bills on the radioHere’s where you can find Bills players on the local and national radio airwaves Wednesday. 7:10 AM – Nickell Robey on WGR 550 12:37 PM – Charles Clay on Sirius NFL Radio 4:30 PM – Tyrod Taylor on ESPN Rochester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Who says that he can't though? He may be as good in the pocket already as EJ and Cassel, both of wh have more experience. I am simply suggesting that the skillset that he has that differentiates himself from other QBs in the league at this point is his ability to make plays when things break down. Obviously, I enjoy your posts a lot Kirby. But why the patience with Taylor and not with Manuel, who has played one less year? IMO, and don't know how anyone can argue, Taylor has received far superior NFL coaching than Manuel. Not saying you're wrong, but why do you conclude Taylor is lesser than Vick? Taylor broke all Vick's records at VT. Also, note that VIck is in the mid-30s. If you're comparing Vick and Taylor, compare them at the same age. Vick was winning division titles for Atlanta back then. Vick was a #1 overall pick while Taylor was a 6th rounder. Vick is one of the greatest athletes to ever play qb and had an absolute cannon for an arm. He made multiple pro bowls. And that said, it never failed that teams would eventually adjust to Vick. And he couldn't beat them with his arm or he would get hurt. Taylor is going to get killed if he tries to play like he did at VT. I hope he shocks the world since he is a Bill. At the same point, a lot of posters won't think he could ever be a viable NFL starter if he wasn't on the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 PHOTOS: Bills open minicamp 2015 The action heated up as the Bills kicked off three days of mandatory practice at One Bills Drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Obviously, I enjoy your posts a lot Kirby. But why the patience with Taylor and not with Manuel, who has played one less year? IMO, and don't know how anyone can argue, Taylor has received far superior NFL coaching than Manuel. Vick was a #1 overall pick while Taylor was a 6th rounder. Vick is one of the greatest athletes to ever play qb and had an absolute cannon for an arm. He made multiple pro bowls. And that said, it never failed that teams would eventually adjust to Vick. And he couldn't beat them with his arm or he would get hurt. Taylor is going to get killed if he tries to play like he did at VT. I hope he shocks the world since he is a Bill. At the same point, a lot of posters won't think he could ever be a viable NFL starter if he wasn't on the Bills. A simple answer to that would be we have a team around the QB that is biult to win now.... If TT has been better coached and is better at the moment.....he should play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I am starting to become a Tyrod Taylor fan really fast - He is actually making the throws - He brings the ability of an extra threat on the field......very fast - I want to see how durable he is....does he slide to not take hits....does he just run for first downs like a starting QB should He is going to be given a legit chance to win this thing.......we might have something here Let's not get ahead of yourself over a couple friendly tweets about June OTAs. It's a long way from September Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 A simple answer to that would be we have a team around the QB that is biult to win now.... If TT has been better coached and is better at the moment.....he should play I don't think anyone is saying anything different. If Taylor wins the job, it could be rough when teams adjust to him. Very long, long way to go for this yet, I think the coaches would have a big laugh at how much we freak out over every offseason activity though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 And the current Bills coach's woody for Tyrod Why go there?/ Who hates on the backup QB, much less on who never played? If he played bad in one start, people would want him cut. Fans are so fickle. He also had a woody for Sanchez. Might be best to keep Rex away from the offense. you too? By the sound of things, several here are getting a woody for Tyrod. not unexpected wording from you. and then the name tyrod isnt helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Obviously, I enjoy your posts a lot Kirby. But why the patience with Taylor and not with Manuel, who has played one less year? IMO, and don't know how anyone can argue, Taylor has received far superior NFL coaching than Manuel.I saw the game that EJ played last year in Houston and it was the worst game that I have ever seen a guy play. That isn't hyperbole either. It is burned into my memory. There were guys running free all over the field that he just didn't see. He was regressing when he got pulled and looked completely lost. I know that he hasn't had the best coaching or opportunities but he looks like a less decisive Trent Edwards at this point. I hope that I am wrong but I have seen some qualities that I don't think can be overcome. It has nothing to do with the stats to me and everything to do with the things that he struggles with. He has trouble seeing the field and with accuracy. He has the personality and build to be a good QB. In some ways to me it is like Spiller if this makes sense. Spiller will never be a great RB because he can't see the holes. He may be a good offensive weapon but vision is a necessity to be a good RB. These traits to me are inate and not things that you improve upon. You can improve upon arm strength but anticipation is instinctual. It is a feel for the game and I can't think of anyone that ever developed that. To me, Fitz was really good at that but he is so limited physically that he could never overcome it. Taylor to me is the unknown. He has an effortless motion and is a great athlete. I'm willing to see if he can combine these traits as he has never been given a chance to do so. I don't think that EJ can develop instincts and I don't think that Cassel can develop physical skills. Again, I am not thrilled with the options but he has as much of a chance as anyone. Edited June 16, 2015 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Who says that he can't though? He may be as good in the pocket already as EJ and Cassel, both of whom have more experience. I am simply suggesting that the skillset that he has that differentiates himself from other QBs in the league at this point is his ability to make plays when things break down. I'll admit that the talk of Taylor frustrates me a little in that I feel like he gets the treatment of "he's a vet!" and "he's just a young guy learning" seem to each cover his question marks in a lot of threads--- which is interesting as they are at times contradictory but get used to assume the best, I'll be curious to see where he lands but until it's full speed and live bullets I think it's healthy to be skeptical of the late rounder that hasn't shown he can do it, instead of always landing on the side of optimism on every question mark (not directed at you, but some of the tyrod fans in a general sense) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Who says that he can't though? He may be as good in the pocket already as EJ and Cassel, both of whom have more experience. I am simply suggesting that the skillset that he has that differentiates himself from other QBs in the league at this point is his ability to make plays when things break down. I'm certainly not saying he can't. From what I gather, he's very intelligent, has a great work ethic, and has benefited from good coaching since he's been in the league, so I think he's capable. But all I have to go by is his college game tape and it's very concerning. I also don't like the way he makes himself smaller after taking the snap and goes back to pass; too much of a knee bend and he can't afford that as a guy who barely breaks 6' and downfield vision is a challenge to begin with. GO BILLS!!! Yes. This is what they want to run, I think. That's why I think it's ultimately between EJ and Tyrod. If Cassel has to go in, they can switch up the O to a more west coast philosophy, which teams won't have game tape on and it could give us an edge. If we were in that situation mid-late season, hopefully that edge keeps our playoff hopes alive. Some say the reason why SF failed last year is that Kaep has not developed into a sufficient pocket passer. Precisely. And it must have frustrated Roman to no end. Teams adjusted to the read option, the rollouts and moving pockets became easy to defend, and teams forced him to stay in the pocket where he couldn't make hay consistently. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I think I've said it in other threads, but the only QB I don't want to win this job (of the top 3) is Cassel -- and I hope it's obvious he's in 3rd place when we get through TC. that would be sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I'm certainly not saying he can't. From what I gather, he's very intelligent, has a great work ethic, and has benefited from good coaching since he's been in the league, so I think he's capable. But all I have to go by is his college game tape and it's very concerning. I also don't like the way he makes himself smaller after taking the snap and goes back to pass; too much of a knee bend and he can't afford that as a guy who barely breaks 6' and downfield vision is a challenge to begin with. GO BILLS!!! Precisely. And it must have frustrated Roman to no end. Teams adjusted to the read option, the rollouts and moving pockets became easy to defend, and teams forced him to stay in the pocket where he couldn't make hay consistently. GO BILLS!!! Good post K-9. I don't disagree. I guess I am more in the camp of I don't like the other options so I will give him some leash. It isn't hard to think that he could be the worst of the 3. He could also be the best. The unknown at this point is more appealing than getting bottom 5 QB play which is what I think EJ and Cassel provide. I am more than willing to let it play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) I saw the game that EJ played last year in Houston and it was the worst game that I have ever seen a guy play. That isn't hyperbole either. It is burned into my memory. There were guys running free all over the field that he just didn't see. He was regressing when he got pulled and looked completely lost. I know that he hasn't had the best coaching or opportunities but he looks like a less decisive Trent Edwards at this point. I hope that I am wrong but I have seen some qualities that I don't think can be overcome. It has nothing to do with the stats to me and everything to do with the things that he struggles with. He has trouble seeing the field and with accuracy. He has the personality and build to be a good QB. In some ways to me it is like Spiller if this makes sense. Spiller will never be a great RB because he can't see the holes. He may be a good offensive weapon but vision is a necessity to be a good RB. These traits to me are inate and not things that you improve upon. You can improve upon arm strength but anticipation is instinctual. It is a feel for the game and I can't think of anyone that ever developed that. To me, Fitz was really good at that but he is so limited physically that he could never overcome it. Taylor to me is the unknown. He has an effortless motion and is a great athlete. I'm willing to see if he can combine these traits as he has never been given a chance to do so. I don't think that EJ can develop instincts and I don't think that Cassel can develop physical skills. Again, I am not thrilled with the options but he has as much of a chance as anyone. Fair enough but is it fair to judge any qb by their worse game? It's also a game where Watkins had several drops as well as Mike Williams, who dropped a big pass. Joe Flacco, coming off a SB win, had a worse game against hOuston. Again, if it was just EJ who regressed offensively, it's one thing. But pretty much every veteran offensive player, besides your favorite Hogan , regressed under Marrone. They all get a pass, especially a 3rd year qb. Time will tell. P.s. Spiller, IMO, is going to show what good coaching can do for a player. It's going to make Marrone look even worse if he has a really good year. Edited June 16, 2015 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 If EJ vs Houston as the worst game you've seen a QB play, you need to watch more football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 OMG another (approx) 90 days of this craziness!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 OMG another (approx) 90 days of this craziness!!! Buckle Up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 If EJ vs Houston as the worst game you've seen a QB play, you need to watch more football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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