Estro Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I wonder if he's the vet who showed up out of shape... No he wasn't. In fact, it was pointed out by one of the coaches in an interview a month or so ago, that Cordy came into camp in very good condition. To answer the topics original question, no. Cordy Glenn is the Bills best OL. He will be a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthtobrint Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I've mentioned a few times (not necessarily in this thread) that the only way to get it done (if they want to move him to OG) would be to sign him to an extension now, then move him. As he mentioned, that'd be paying Glenn starting LT money to play guard. It'd also likely be taken as being insulting/deceitful. Next season Glenn will be paid starting LT money to play LT whether it be here or elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 As he mentioned, that'd be paying Glenn starting LT money to play guard. It'd also likely be taken as being insulting/deceitful. Next season Glenn will be paid starting LT money to play LT whether it be here or elsewhere. I have no doubt that's the case. The methodology behind it would be to try to extend him now, while he's coming off of a down year, to get something of a discount. I'm not saying it would work, or even be in their best interest. I'm simply saying that it's the only way to get him to stay here and play guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Not sure this had been mentioned, as I only read about 1/2 of this thread, I'm sorry if it has... Moving Glenn to guard would significantly decrease our chances of re-signing him. He's played at an acceptable level for years at LT, and when his contract is up, will command LT money. Moving him inside would hit his salary (I believe) about $4M per year... While that would be great for us, I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work for him, and he would most likely walk and sign with a team willing to pay him the LT money to play LT- and you know we aren't going to give him LT money to play G... If they move him to guard, that means they don't think he's one of the 2 best tackles on the team. That means they wouldn't want to pay him starting tackle money because he wouldn't be worth it in their opinion. I would be pleasantly surprised, or more likely totally shocked if Kujo and Henderson were good enough to start the season at tackle. But if they were both better than Glenn, good for the team. Glenn could decide whats best for him next year as far as a contract goes, just like every free agent does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 IF WE MOVE HIM TO GUARD WE WILL LOSE HIM IN FREE AGENCY What sense does that make? Not they I am advocating it in any way, but if he is moved to OG due to another player showing that they are a better LT than Glenn is (and that's a very big "if"), then losing him in FA would basically save $10+M in cap dollar for each of the next bunch of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Actually.....yes Cog has played center Right, but do you really want a guy on a one-year deal, out of football for a year plus, with an attitude problem, who hasn't played the position in years, to anchor your line? I know Wood had his limitations last year but I have to believe a good deal of that was scheme and frustration with it, along with the turnstiles surrounding him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Not they I am advocating it in any way, but if he is moved to OG due to another player showing that they are a better LT than Glenn is (and that's a very big "if"), then losing him in FA would basically save $10+M in cap dollar for each of the next bunch of years. If I was his agent and the Bills did this, I'd hold out Glenn and force a trade. Sounds dirty but it's a dirty business and that move could cost him millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Right, but do you really want a guy on a one-year deal, out of football for a year plus, with an attitude problem, who hasn't played the position in years, to anchor your line? I know Wood had his limitations last year but I have to believe a good deal of that was scheme and frustration with it, along with the turnstiles surrounding him. Oh I am not advocating that at all....I think it is more to look at "if Wood goes down what do we do next" Two players with C experience past wood (which is why I liked the resigning of Urbik.......Urbik and Cog....can both play C and both OG positions If they move him to guard, that means they don't think he's one of the 2 best tackles on the team. That means they wouldn't want to pay him starting tackle money because he wouldn't be worth it in their opinion. I would be pleasantly surprised, or more likely totally shocked if Kujo and Henderson were good enough to start the season at tackle. But if they were both better than Glenn, good for the team. Glenn could decide whats best for him next year as far as a contract goes, just like every free agent does. Then the woes of the O line would continue..... You dont get better on the O line by continuing to revolving door it...... It is my hope that they are looking at everyone at every position to see who is versitile enough for a "plan B" Not they I am advocating it in any way, but if he is moved to OG due to another player showing that they are a better LT than Glenn is (and that's a very big "if"), then losing him in FA would basically save $10+M in cap dollar for each of the next bunch of years. Dibs...yeah I get it....its not what I want either.....the team cannot fall apart if we cannot resign Glenn....I just think a. We are best served by keeping Glenn and paying him at LT b. Moving him to OG would most certainly cause Glenn and his agent to be upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I don't believe it, but if he's really beat out, it helps the Bills financial situaition going forward. But then again, your OL has a rookie and two sophomores in the starting 5. Just a hunch, but I'm not 100% certain he's in the plans going forward. I thought of this before Rex even came aboard, but with him here, I'm even more curious about the team's plans regarding him. Gilmore will be getting the big-time money next offseason, leaving decisions to be made. Some might suggest they cut Leodis, but if he plays well this year, he's staying IMO. Rex will get to keep his CBs. Either way, interesting situation going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I don't believe it, but if he's really beat out, it helps the Bills financial situaition going forward. But then again, your OL has a rookie and two sophomores in the starting 5. Just a hunch, but I'm not 100% certain he's in the plans going forward. I thought of this before Rex even came aboard, but with him here, I'm even more curious about the team's plans regarding him. Gilmore will be getting the big-time money next offseason, leaving decisions to be made. Some might suggest they cut Leodis, but if he plays well this year, he's staying IMO. Rex will get to keep his CBs. Either way, interesting situation going forward. this isn't popular but I have a feeling they are planning for when they will lose him in FA. I think they will make him a fair offer but they won't break the bank like they will for Dareus and Gilmore, and he will leave for more money on open market (don't blame him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I don't believe it, but if he's really beat out, it helps the Bills financial situaition going forward. But then again, your OL has a rookie and two sophomores in the starting 5. Just a hunch, but I'm not 100% certain he's in the plans going forward. I thought of this before Rex even came aboard, but with him here, I'm even more curious about the team's plans regarding him. Gilmore will be getting the big-time money next offseason, leaving decisions to be made. Some might suggest they cut Leodis, but if he plays well this year, he's staying IMO. Rex will get to keep his CBs. Either way, interesting situation going forward. I know that all if this is open to debate and none of us know....but I dont see how this is gonna happen...... Matt Darby was drafted for a reason......Stephon G. will be here.....we have Robey and Cochrel What we dont have a lot of are quality O linemen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 this isn't popular but I have a feeling they are planning for when they will lose him in FA. I think they will make him a fair offer but they won't break the bank like they will for Dareus and Gilmore, and he will leave for more money on open market (don't blame him) Was thinking this too. When it comes down to Dareus, Gilmore and Glenn, choose two, I take Dareus and Gilmore for sure. Henderson and Kujo would have to show they really were the real deal though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 If I was his agent and the Bills did this, I'd hold out Glenn and force a trade. Sounds dirty but it's a dirty business and that move could cost him millions. .... It is my hope that they are looking at everyone at every position to see who is versitile enough for a "plan B" Dibs...yeah I get it....its not what I want either.....the team cannot fall apart if we cannot resign Glenn....I just think a. We are best served by keeping Glenn and paying him at LT b. Moving him to OG would most certainly cause Glenn and his agent to be upset My point here was that if the extremely unlikely event occurs that another player is clearly better than Glenn at LT (and that would be of sure probowl calibre), then Glenn should lose his starting spot. This would be better for the team both on the field and off(due to salary cap implications). If that meant he moves to OG, that would surely be preferable to him than being a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Oh I am not advocating that at all....I think it is more to look at "if Wood goes down what do we do next" Two players with C experience past wood (which is why I liked the resigning of Urbik.......Urbik and Cog....can both play C and both OG positions Then the woes of the O line would continue..... You dont get better on the O line by continuing to revolving door it...... It is my hope that they are looking at everyone at every position to see who is versitile enough for a "plan B" Dibs...yeah I get it....its not what I want either.....the team cannot fall apart if we cannot resign Glenn....I just think a. We are best served by keeping Glenn and paying him at LT b. Moving him to OG would most certainly cause Glenn and his agent to be upset I disagree, however, I don't believe this will happen. I can't imagine either Kujo or Henderson are better then Glenn. But if they are, that is a good thing for the line, it means we are better than last year. Don't look at it as a revolving door, look at it as improving 2 key positions, maybe 3 if Glenn is a better guard. But honestly, I expect Glenn to start at LT. Edited June 3, 2015 by klos63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 What is best for Cordy may not be best for the O-line. It would be great for him to start at LT going into a contract year. We all are fans of his. If those guys can actually play him off of the tackle spots, that would be pretty impressive. Plus, his move to guard would vastly improve the run game. Over all, such an event seems hard to imagine. Cordy is a good tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 To me this makes zero sense - Glenn has been a worthy LT....last year everyone played horrible.....prior to that Glenn has been considered a gem at LT...WHY CHANGE THAT - Who rides the bench in that situation....John Miller....the coaches appear to LOVE John Miller IMO......the real battle is between Henderson and Kujo at RT.......if Kujo starts playing like was SUPPOSED to then that would unseat Henderson making him the swing OT. John Miller and Cog should be the guards its really just this simple John. I am surprised that folks are taking Vic's self confessed "opinion" as seriously as they are. It was an article to create dialogue. It worked ! Best case scenario is either Hendy or Kujo are good enough to hold down the RT position. and thats all i worry about with the tackles. And hope they can stash someone on the PS. I think the guard is where are worry should be focused. Heck we can even worry about Wood stepping his game up from last year and becoming solid ! I predict Richie at RG and Miller at LG. if they flip i cont care much. Urbik is the og oc back up as correctly mentioned up stream. Seems simple to me. Cordy Glenn starting at LT is the least of our worries friends within the offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Disregarding the Glenn angle, it would be fantastic if it turns out that both Henderson and CK become top NFL talents this season. More likely however, the Bills and Roman "loving what they are seeing" translates to "They are not going to be busts! They should contribute in a positive way this season." Yes, exactly - it means they're learning the blocking system and they're making the right moves to the right man with good technique. You really can't separate the starters from the 2nd string on O-line until the pads go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I have no doubt that's the case. The methodology behind it would be to try to extend him now, while he's coming off of a down year, to get something of a discount. I'm not saying it would work, or even be in their best interest. I'm simply saying that it's the only way to get him to stay here and play guard. Heck, even ok LT money is elite guard money. May as well go get an all pro guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Heck, even ok LT money is elite guard money. May as well go get an all pro guard Alot of people feel he could be an All Pro G. He was seen by most of the league as a guard coming out of college, rated as the 2nd best in the class behind DeCastro. He is a decent/good LT. He is not the athlete most teams want to have at LT. He could be a monster inside. The money difference for him if that's the case is neglible. IMO, he is looking for a deal similar to what Jared Veldheer signed with Arizona and the Eugene Monroe extension in Baltimore. Basically, between $30 and $40 million, averaging around 7 mil/yr cap hit. Honestly, I'd take Veldheer or Monroe over Glenn at LT at this point. IMO, he is not worth that type of deal based on his play thus far. He is no where near the pass blocker he needs to be to be lumped in with those guys. If he moves inside and dominates, he could easily clear $7 mil/yr. If he stays as an average LT, $7 mil/yr is his ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 The main thing is to re-sign Glenn , I just want him on the OL and for him to want to play here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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