Beerball Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 The difference is that the team was deeply involved with bountygate. Coaches specifically. Where is the institutional penalty for PED abuse in Seattle? How about institutional penalty for the Steelers or the Lions for the cheap shot/dirty hits their players routinely were/are fined for? If the PED's were found to be supplied by someone on the team payroll I could see it, otherwise, no. Player conduct on the field I do not see. ...For their role in we-did-absolutely-nothing-wrong. Interesting pickle that they've put the league in though, isn't it? They, apparently, have to agree to have them reinstated. If not it's just another example of THE LEAGUE keeping the little guy in his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 So, not on Rice or AP or Bountygate...but this is the case where they have to stand firm--balls a tiny bit softer than the league allows? Unless you're sitting on a flux capacitor, there's nothing that can be done about past suspensions/penalties being screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Unless you're sitting on a flux capacitor, there's nothing that can be done about past suspensions/penalties being screwed up. Point was, I think, why come down on the organization? I see why and have no issue with it (& that's not, IMO, hinged on my disdain for that organization). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) If the PED's were found to be supplied by someone on the team payroll I could see it, otherwise, no. Player conduct on the field I do not see. Interesting pickle that they've put the league in though, isn't it? They, apparently, have to agree to have them reinstated. If not it's just another example of THE LEAGUE keeping the little guy in his place. If your players feel it's ok to ue PEDs after others are busted for same, isn't there a lack of institutional control? The team knew this was going on. If the Wells report says the coach and team didn't know deflating was going on, where is their liability? Unless you're sitting on a flux capacitor, there's nothing that can be done about past suspensions/penalties being screwed up. You had the opportunity to draw your line in the sand on those (far more serious) offenses but you have chosen this one as the over-the-top event for you--that's what I was asking Edited May 19, 2015 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Point was, I think, why come down on the organization? I see why and have no issue with it (& that's not, IMO, hinged on my disdain for that organization). My interest is primarily standing firm on the player's penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 If your players feel it's ok to ue PEDs after others are busted for same, isn't there a lack of institutional control? Nope. Regarding the pats*** this was, allegedly, a multi-layered infraction. Player and team employee. A player stomping another doesn't fit. My interest is primarily standing firm on the player's penalty. Well then you quoted the wrong post. Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Nope. Regarding the pats*** this was, allegedly, a multi-layered infraction. Player and team employee. A player stomping another doesn't fit. Well then you quoted the wrong post. Imo the employee and player were acting automomously without the knowledge of the coach or team officals/owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 the employee and player were acting automomously without the knowledge of the coach or team officals/owner. Two (at least) employees, one player under contract (allegedly) CONSPIRED to act outside of the rules of the game. That conspiracy included (allegedly) gifts/favors from the contractor to the employee(s). Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 the employee and player were acting automomously without the knowledge of the coach or team officals/owner. Imo - the owner and HC should be well aware of what their players are up to. but hey when you have multiple former players convicted of felonies - 1 for murder, 1 for drug trafficking of large amounts of pot and who knows what else not prosecuted, a little tampering is nothing so they should get a pass! I'm with you 1000% /sarc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Two (at least) employees, one player under contract (allegedly) CONSPIRED to act outside of the rules of the game. That conspiracy included (allegedly) gifts/favors from the contractor to the employee(s). Imo I get the relationship between the parties, but not sure where the liability of the insttituion begins. Imo - the owner and HC should be well aware of what their players are up to. but hey when you have multiple former players convicted of felonies - 1 for murder, 1 for drug trafficking of large amounts of pot and who knows what else not prosecuted, a little tampering is nothing so they should get a pass! I'm with you 1000% /sarc If the owner and HC were held responsible for all crimes committed by their players, teams like the Bengals wouldn't exist by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 So is Kraft still releasing videos of him acting with his "friend"? Ya know, the "friend" that is like 30-40 years younger than he is.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) "The Patriots suspended James McNally and John Jastremski indefinitely on May 6, with the NFL indicating that the pair could not be rehired without the league's approval"So hear Shefter reporting the league asked the Pats to suspend those two chuckleheads. But if that was the case, why would Kraft just not say that? https://m.facebook.com/AdamSchefter/posts/957919684260673 This whole thing is just whacked. And I have no idea, but I wonder if there is a difference between indefinetely suspended without pay and being dismissed. I honestly don't know. Edited May 19, 2015 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 19, 2015 Author Share Posted May 19, 2015 @AdamSchefter: Roger Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft already have met, spoke and even hugged, per an industry source who witnessed it. @AdamSchefter: Goodell-Kraft attended Sean McManus 60th birthday Sat in NYC; they were spotted on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) I get the relationship between the parties, but not sure where the liability of the insttituion begins. If it weren't your favorite team you'd see that it is similar to the Saints situation and different from that of the Seahawks. Of the 32 teams how many do you think currently have a player or more using PEDs? How many of the 32 have players and employees actively undermining rules of the game? @AdamSchefter: Roger Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft already have met, spoke and even hugged, per an industry source who witnessed it. @AdamSchefter: Goodell-Kraft attended Sean McManus 60th birthday Sat in NYC; they were spotted on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time." At any point did they start crying? Edited May 19, 2015 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Anyway, this is what McNair said: He can't even bring himself to say that cheating actually occured. It's "complicated"........ What benefit would it serve any owner to accuse Pats* of cheating in this case? Jim Kelly chimes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland Rocks? Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 @AdamSchefter: Roger Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft already have met, spoke and even hugged, per an industry source who witnessed it. @AdamSchefter: Goodell-Kraft attended Sean McManus 60th birthday Sat in NYC; they were spotted on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Part of me feels like the league warned the team about the balls ahead of time. The team didn't comply and were caught. Goodell wanted to save face for an owner/team directly disobeying him though, so he smacks the team with fine/draft picks, but doesn't get into the reasoning behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 So is Kraft still releasing videos of him acting with his "friend"? Ya know, the "friend" that is like 30-40 years younger than he is.. Well Jerry did the same thing with friends that were probably 50-60 years younger than him not too long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 What benefit would it serve any owner to accuse Pats* of cheating in this case? Jim Kelly chimes in. That's been my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Part of me feels like the league warned the team about the balls ahead of time. The team didn't comply and were caught. Goodell wanted to save face for an owner/team directly disobeying him though, so he smacks the team with fine/draft picks, but doesn't get into the reasoning behind it. I feel like that would have been brought up either by leak, publicly or the Wells report. I don't think the Pats* would be banging the "sting operation" drum as loudly if that were the case. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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