C.Biscuit97 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 just googled it, Cassel has 8 career 4th quarter comebacks. Manuel has 7 career wins. Counting his mop up appearance against the Jets last year as a win for him. What? How is that meaningful? Cassel has played like 10 years. Since a good year in KC, he has sucked. 30 tds, 34 ints. EJ has 3 game winning drives in 14 starts, almost half as Half as many as Cassel has had in his own career. Like I said, I'm fine with him as a backup. But it would suck big time to have him start. There is no upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 What? How is that meaningful? Cassel has played like 10 years. Since a good year in KC, he has sucked. 30 tds, 34 ints. EJ has 3 game winning drives in 14 starts, almost half as Half as many as Cassel has had in his own career. Like I said, I'm fine with him as a backup. But it would suck big time to have him start. There is no upside. Zero upside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Okay. Here's what I found. 15 games, EJ - 236/437 58.5% completion, 2810 yards, 6.43 YPA, 16 TD's, 12 picks, 4 fumbles, 31.05 QBR, (just averaged both years QBR's, couldn't find it cumulative) 78.5 career passer rating 13 games, King of the Castle - 194/325 59.6% completion, 2232 yards, 6.87 YPA, 14 TD's, 13 picks, 3 fumbles, 38.8 QBR, 80.1 career passer rating So besides 1 more pick and two less TD"s in 2 less games, where does EJ have better numbers? Enlighten me That career qb rating is crap. Again, I don't care about 4 years ago. Last year, he had a 65 qb rating. That's what is important. It's funny how people acted like Orton regressed last year. He didn't regress, he was simply Kyle Orton. It's the same thing with Cassel. He is what he is and it's not good enough for a playoff team (or really any NFL team to start). This franchise loves trying with washout Qbs and hoping it will be different. It won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 That career qb rating is crap. Again, I don't care about 4 years ago. Last year, he had a 65 qb rating. That's what is important. It's funny how people acted like Orton regressed last year. He didn't regress, he was simply Kyle Orton. It's the same thing with Cassel. He is what he is and it's not good enough for a playoff team (or really any NFL team to start). This franchise loves trying with washout Qbs and hoping it will be different. It won't. I see you didn't tackle QBR, yet you waved that around all the time in other conversations. I'm surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I see you didn't tackle QBR, yet you waved that around all the time in other conversations. I'm surprised. You're right. Cassel's qbr of 28 in year 10 is super impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 You're right. Cassel's qbr of 28 in year 10 is super impressive. But EJ "has better stats" with his QBR of 19.8? Oh wait, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 But EJ "has better stats" with his QBR of 19.8? Oh wait, no. Great response. The 10th year qb had a 9 point better qbr than the 2nd year one. I feel much better about Cassel now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 A guy younger than him with better numbers. But 2 years makes a career. See Jerry Hughes. Great response. The 10th year qb had a 9 point better qbr than the 2nd year one. I feel much better about Cassel now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 1) claiming a 28 qbr as a win for Cassel is sad 2) EJ has a better td to int ratio the last 2 years than Cassel 3) Cassel has been garbage in the 4 years since his last good season. It's been a downward spiral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 But EJ "has better stats" with his QBR of 19.8? Oh wait, no. Actually are better off playing EJ this year and see where we go...Cassel isn't an aswer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtbag Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 This franchise loves trying with washout Qbs and hoping it will be different. It won't. it's always a little different, though. case in point: only one of our washout qb's was decapitated by a floor mat during training camp. the rest of our washout qb's have effortlessly navigated those floor mats without incident. in that way, each washout brings us something new and unique. they're like snowflakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 in that way, each washout brings us something new and unique. they're like snowflakes. Fun to look at when the first one falls...problem is you get sick of them very quickly and can't wait for them to go away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 A guy younger than him with better numbers. But 2 years makes a career. See Jerry Hughes. Great response. The 10th year qb had a 9 point better qbr than the 2nd year one. I feel much better about Cassel now. 1) claiming a 28 qbr as a win for Cassel is sad 2) EJ has a better td to int ratio the last 2 years than Cassel 3) Cassel has been garbage in the 4 years since his last good season. It's been a downward spiral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 it's always a little different, though. case in point: only one of our washout qb's was decapitated by a floor mat during training camp. the rest of our washout qb's have effortlessly navigated those floor mats without incident. in that way, each washout brings us something new and unique. they're like snowflakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Cassel is a step down from Orton IMO. Both were career middle of the road QBs. The Bills are clearly still searching for their answer at QB. They probably aren't going to find him this year barring a surprising trade. I don't think that EJ, Cassel, a rookie or FA is the long term solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 1) claiming a 28 qbr as a win for Cassel is sad 2) EJ has a better td to int ratio the last 2 years than Cassel 3) Cassel has been garbage in the 4 years since his last good season. It's been a downward spiral. He claims that of Meh Cassel's QBR of 17 - rating of 39.1 in a 30-7 LOSS v NE a win http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8644/matt-cassel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 What's the argument about? I'll only be pissed if there isn't a legit QB competition in camp. If there is then let the best man win. I want EJ to succeed but he doesn't need to be handled the job, he needs to earn it. That being said if the competition is very close I'd give the nod to EJ as he's the one with some upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) What's the argument about? I'll only be pissed if there isn't a legit QB competition in camp. If there is then let the best man win. I want EJ to succeed but he doesn't need to be handled the job, he needs to earn it. That being said if the competition is very close I'd give the nod to EJ as he's the one with some upside. I agree. I'm an EJ supporter but I won't be mad if he loses in the QB competition. Unlike Orton, I think that Cassell is going to help in Manuel's development. If Manuel proves he's not ready to take over the team then that doesn't necessarily mean for the entire season. Maybe eight games in, Cassell is not playing well and Manuel starts looking like he's ready to roll in Roman's system. Manuel is still a project and Cassell is a known backup QB who's capable of starting now and then. Let the best QB win and then let the season play out. Edited March 9, 2015 by 1billsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Definitely should be a competition in camp. If they perform in similar fashions, I'll give the edge to EJ to see how he develops over the year, so we know what we need to do next offseason in regards to QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 9, 2015 Author Share Posted March 9, 2015 Will it keep him from retiring after game 16? If so, might be a good idea. He can be a coaching mentor to EJ and/or whomever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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