K8prisoner Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Griffin is light years ahead of ej in talent and looking at carson Palmer should be healed and confident this year and very costly to trade . Still a big risk like Palmer in Oakland .. Kinda like the risk I hope we have already back channeled to Bradford .. Rather take a risk there . With our luck we will end up driving up qb prices and watching ej hoyer / Sanchez and bryce petty in training camp . I hope I am wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 is the writing on the wall? Rex Ryan comes in, knowing that dominoes are about to fall to get him and Roman their new guy? EJ hires Parker as agent to prepare for the move... RG3 comes in and gives Roman his Kaep clone? This is something that the real Ray Rice would write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) RGIII had a little success out of the gate, now teams have film on him- took away what he likes to do. It's on him to make an adjustment - lots of stories on him being a pain in the ass as well. In short we know where RG's ceiling is and it's not very high. EJ may never get off the ground but his potential is higher and he's not a locker room cancer. EJ is a much more gifted passer then RG or Kaep or Russ Wilson but there is more to the game than just throwing it Edited January 17, 2015 by CardinalScotts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 RGIII had a little success out of the gate, now teams have film on him- took away what he likes to do. It's on him to make an adjustment - lots of stories on him being a pain in the ass as well. In short we know where RG's ceiling is and it's not very high. EJ may never get off the ground but his potential is higher and he's not a locker room cancer. EJ is a much more gifted passer then RG or Kaep or Russ Wilson but there is more to the game than just throwing it Because Griffin's face has been shoved into our faces for the past two years, some people think that means he's good. He's not. He had a good rookie year. I will grant him that. But that year, he also had receivers catching horribly-thrown passes and a stellar running game to back him up. He's not durable. He can't read a defense. He can't go through his options quickly enough. And he isn't nearly as accurate as his statistics will say he is. Griffin is a product of the media. It started with funny socks and a flashy smile. He's a nice, respectful, hardworking young man. But he a good NFL QB, he is not. I think EJ is smarter, more durable and has a lot more upside than Griffin. He had accuracy issues in more than a few of his 14 career games. But he was not consistently inconsistent. EJ's problems, in my opinion, are fixable. This is the last year he'll have to prove it, as far as I'm concerned. But I think Griffin has already proved that he is no team's answer at QB. EJ - as any/every QB - needs more than 14 games to prove what he is, or what he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I'm completely opposite on this one. EJ wants to (be able to read defenses and be a real QB) but he cant. "Slow eyes," which people around here roll eyes at, as if its a stupid criticism or phrase, means what you think it means. Its a polite way to say "slow information processor." RG can (read defenses and be a real QB and win games for you) but he doesnt want to. RG wants to win the RG way, or not at all. Kinda like Vick in the first decade or so. Therefore, I'd take RG. If you forced me to choose. You should watch more film. EJ has slow eyes? Griffen doesn't even look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted William's frozen head Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 EXACTLY!!! I'll stay with EJ3, thank you. When EJ gets hit, bad things happen...... EJ is a much more gifted passer then RG or Kaep or Russ Wilson WHAT??????????? (COUGH,COUGH!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I wouldn't touch RGIII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I'm feeling confident that EJ is going to turn out to be the franchise QB that we need him to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Unless he's running read-option, RG3 is half the QB EJ is. He cannot play in the pocket and now he can't run because he's glass. There's no way I'd make that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 He has already disintegrated and his arm is about as accurate as my tax return. Hahaha!!!! At least with EJ, there is hope. RG3 is just awful. Steady and spectacular decline. No thanks. Coming from you that first line it's powerful RG III - High character guy, has regrettably been ruined as a pro QB by a dis functional Redskins organization. He is high character? I thought he was looked at as a whiney prima Donna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I think that people better be prepared for a QB choice they dont like.....Manning, Luck, RIvers, Brady are simply not out there...... The Redskins HAVE screwed up RG III and you know what? Greg Roman turned Alex Smith's career around and he went on to be the big free agent aquisition of that year when he went to the Chiefs..... Lots of talent there with Robert Griffen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I think that people better be prepared for a QB choice they dont like.....Manning, Luck, RIvers, Brady are simply not out there...... The Redskins HAVE screwed up RG III and you know what? Greg Roman turned Alex Smith's career around and he went on to be the big free agent aquisition of that year when he went to the Chiefs..... Lots of talent there with Robert Griffen I'd take RGIII, and a bubble-wrapped Sam Bradford and Sanchez for training camp competition. Need a guy who has started. I think Bradford is the best in terms of pure talent of who is available, but I would be fine with Sanchez, EJ, and a rookie. Ryan can get to the playoffs w/ Sanchez, and Sanchez would have more weapons than he had in NY. Given the dearth of top-tier QB talent, I say build the most nasty O-line, get a nasty RB who can move a pile on 3rd and 4th and short, and have the QB make about 20 throws a game. Should have Sammy, Woods or Hogan open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 EXACTLY!!! I'll stay with EJ3, thank you. EJ just breaks. At least you can find the parts and put him back together. Disintegrating seems pretty permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) You should watch more film. EJ has slow eyes? Griffen doesn't even look I stated and conceded that RG doesnt look. He doesnt want to be that kind of QB. But the question is which of these 2 is able to be that kind. I submit that RG is, and EJ isnt. And its not a question of degree. RG has it (buried somewhere). EJ doesnt. If you dont have it, its nearly impossible to find it. Bottom line: I'll take the guy who is able to be a real NFL QB over the guy who, at MAX improvement (which few people ever achieve in any field) is not winning QB material. Even if the likelihood of RG hitting max is 25% and the likelihood of EJ hitting max is 80%. Edited January 17, 2015 by maddenboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section242 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 RGIII had a little success out of the gate, now teams have film on him- took away what he likes to do. It's on him to make an adjustment - lots of stories on him being a pain in the ass as well. In short we know where RG's ceiling is and it's not very high. EJ may never get off the ground but his potential is higher and he's not a locker room cancer. EJ is a much more gifted passer then RG or Kaep or Russ Wilson but there is more to the game than just throwing it Manuel isn't as talented nor a more gifted passer than any of them and I don't think Bob Griffin or Kaep are very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I stated and conceded that RG doesnt look. He doesnt want to be that kind of QB. But the question is which of these 2 is able to be that kind. I submit that RG is, and EJ isnt. And its not a question of degree. RG has it (buried somewhere). EJ doesnt. If you dont have it, its nearly impossible to find it. RGIII was nothing more than figured out, then he showed he couldn't adjust. Guys like him and Kaepernick are having the hardest time making the transition from a running QB to a pocket passer. I don't condone just handing EJ the job and Ryan won't make the mistake of putting all his eggs in one EJ basket. The more apt description of EJ is he doesn't have it YET. Losman and Edwards got far more of a chance than EJ so EJ deserves the same consideration. That being said tho, he's put himself in a deep hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 EXACTLY!!! I'll stay with EJ3, thank you. Same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I stated and conceded that RG doesnt look. He doesnt want to be that kind of QB. But the question is which of these 2 is able to be that kind. I submit that RG is, and EJ isnt. And its not a question of degree. RG has it (buried somewhere). EJ doesnt. If you dont have it, its nearly impossible to find it. Bottom line: I'll take the guy who is able to be a real NFL QB over the guy who, at MAX improvement (which few people ever achieve in any field) is not winning QB material. Even if the likelihood of RG hitting max is 25% and the likelihood of EJ hitting max is 80%. Does Griffin have it? The last two seasons has shown he hasn't and two coaches have said "get to the bench son. I want to start Colt or Kirk". That's damning when Colt McCoy gives you a better chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Give me Garrett Grayson from Colorado St. and I'll whoop you guys with E.J. RGIII or whatever initials you like. Watch this guy pleeeease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 When EJ gets hit, bad things happen...... WHAT??????????? (COUGH,COUGH!!) Ask JJ Watt about how true your first statement is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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