dave mcbride Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) That may be one of the best scenarios. There are so many things that go into being a HC that there is zero apprenticeship for. Guys like Gase and Bevell may turn into great coaches but there is so much you don't know about them. And learning on the job can be painful. That's why a lot of great coordinators fail. Just calling timeouts which seems so simple but it's the pressure of the game and you have 12 other things on your mind. Or the active list each game. Going for it or punting. Fans make these things out as so easy, and granted, a lot of times they are no brainers. But sometimes it's like an easy four foot putt in golf. A lot of great golfers can drain them regularly. The guy that can drain it regularly on the 18th hole with the cameras and the crowd and the tournament and a million dollars on the line is the great golfer. And there aren't that many. Tony Dungy said recently that the least amount of coaching he ever did was as head coach. Obviously, he had a ton of success. Basically, it's a different job than coordinating, which is why I'm always worried about coordinators. Some can make the next step (Belichick), but there are a lot of Scott Linehans and Gregg Williamses out there. Good coaches can come from anywhere - John Harbaugh (one of the very best) was a ST coach. Tomlin wasn't a DC either. Andy Reid's highest position was QB coach. It's why I'm not terribly concerned about Reich. The fact that he isn't an experienced coordinator doesn't mean much to me. Edited January 8, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I would love a Schwartz/Shanahan combo. I like the idea of Kyle as an OC even if I am slightly leery of him as a head coach. Either way, you don't leave if you're not sure you can find work ...unless you're Marrone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Hoyer is 10-6 as a starter but debateable to give him credit for the game he got Kiko'd in 1st qtr. All kinds of reports now from the Browns reporters that Kyle was difficult to get along with, etc. Where have we seen this before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Hoyer is 10-6 as a starter but debateable to give him credit for the game he got Kiko'd in 1st qtr. All kinds of reports now from the Browns reporters that Kyle was difficult to get along with, etc. Where have we seen this before... The Browns beat reporters are notorious shills for the franchise, probably the worst in the league. In return for "access" they print whatever the franchise wants their message to be. On top of that, I imagine I'd be difficult to work with if I had the owner's voice in my headset telling me what play to run as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I don't have a problem with Kyle as OC as long as his father is not the HC, because if Kyle doesn't work out you have to fire both. I kind of agree with your logic with the if you fire one you have to fire both, but who cares? We would have a great HC and a very good OC. That said, I think no matter how you look at it, Kyle walking away from Cleveland paves the way for him to work with his dad. I think it will be in Oakland, but I would be okay if it happened in Buffalo. M. Shanahan is a top notch HC. We have a top notch DC, and K Shanahan has had moderately good success with crappy offenses and between him and his dad working with our offense after adding a couple of OG's via draft and FA, i think we definitely make the playoffs in 2015. BigPappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Nate Hackett 2.0.. This has disaster written all over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Nate Hackett 2.0.. This has disaster written all over itHis name came up as a replacement for Kyle. Pettine connection. Lol Oh... @RyInCBus: Wow. Scathing. RT @Bumblyjack: Refer to this piece on Kyle Shanahan and entitlement. From last December. http://t.co/hPYID3ttlh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Quite the opposite. Shanny (young and old) are no fans of Manziel. I was only kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloaf Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 There were personnel guys texting play calls to the sideline Serious question. How does one text plays to the sideline. I've never seen an OC on the sideline looking at a phone. Are they using those new Surface tablets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Serious question. How does one text plays to the sideline. I've never seen an OC on the sideline looking at a phone. Are they using those new Surface tablets? haha I had same question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Hoyer is 10-6 as a starter but debateable to give him credit for the game he got Kiko'd in 1st qtr. All kinds of reports now from the Browns reporters that Kyle was difficult to get along with, etc. Where have we seen this before... Yea and we also know people say things that are completely false to sabotage a coaching opportunity. Edited January 8, 2015 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Nate Hackett 2.0.. This has disaster written all over it ???? What are you talking about? His name came up as a replacement for Kyle. Pettine connection. Lol Oh... @RyInCBus: Wow. Scathing. RT @Bumblyjack: Refer to this piece on Kyle Shanahan and entitlement. From last December. http://t.co/hPYID3ttlh Yeah, if his inability to make nice with RGIII is a problem, I think we now have a season with Jay Gruden to indicate that perhaps the issue was on the other side of the table. There's some pretty ****ty stuff in there, though. Oh well, he's not our coach insofar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 ???? What are you talking about? Yeah, if his inability to make nice with RGIII is a problem, I think we now have a season with Jay Gruden to indicate that perhaps the issue was on the other side of the table. There's some pretty ****ty stuff in there, though. Oh well, he's not our coach insofar. I agree it sheds light on whether the Shanahans were the problem now that we see what came out this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) His name came up as a replacement for Kyle. Pettine connection. Lol Oh... @RyInCBus: Wow. Scathing. RT @Bumblyjack: Refer to this piece on Kyle Shanahan and entitlement. From last December. http://t.co/hPYID3ttlh This linked piece only tells me that the Redskins organization is a horrible, horrible place. Every year there are people from within ripping coordinators, players, coaches, and management. Remember all the rips on Gregg Williams? Just think of Haslett this year and RG III. It is such a dysfunctional organization. I no longer believe the rips because I think they're always fueled by some vendetta from within. Other organizations have this problem (indeed, it's going on with the Bills right now), but the Redskins under Snyder have taken it to a different level. Edited January 8, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I think he would be one of the best "Stand alone" offensive coordinators the Bills could bring in if Schwartz is given the reigns of the team. If the Bills do go out and hire a OC or offensive based HC not sure Kyle would want to "share" credit by working under an offensive coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Schwartz, Kyle, and Pepper. Sounds like a good combo. Interesting that none of the 6 teams has hired a HC yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 breaking news http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cleveland-browns-fire-guy-convinced-162605077.html Cleveland Browns Fire The Guy Who Convinced Them To Draft Johnny Manziel :P :P :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 breaking news http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cleveland-browns-fire-guy-convinced-162605077.html Cleveland Browns Fire The Guy Who Convinced Them To Draft Johnny Manziel :P :P :P If Haslam made the decision that put him over the top because of a text from Johnny Eightball, it's Haslam's doing and fault not the QB coach's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Daddy Shanny as HC. Kid Shanny as OC. Schwartz as DC. git er done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 breaking news http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cleveland-browns-fire-guy-convinced-162605077.html Cleveland Browns Fire The Guy Who Convinced Them To Draft Johnny Manziel :P :P :P what about the homeless guy?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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