Deranged Rhino Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Sure, and the mini mo Quataris. But the bearded bosses try and keep it under control IMO. They like money as much as they hate the Shia. And they periodically crown the crazies with ashtrays whenever they jump up and down too much - just as the Turks used to do back in the good old days of the Ottoman empire. The bolded is where you are incorrect. They pour hundreds of millions (of western money) into promoting extremism, not to mention how they restrict the freedoms of their own people to a barbaric degree. You should re-read that article above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Shakespeare couldn't spell either. For sure they don't like Shias, but the crazies give them more trouble than they are worth these days. 700 years ago it was a deal the House of Saud had to make. I think the Wahhabi sect is more like 200-300 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 The bolded is where you are incorrect. They pour hundreds of millions (of western money) into promoting extremism, not to mention how they restrict the freedoms of their own people to a barbaric degree. You should re-read that article above. They are not absolved of course but the impetus comes from the clerics they likely regret being in partnership with, as well as the unwashed masses. Don't forget their rule is fragile and thats probably why the age old compact perists. Picture them trying to ride a two ton Bramah bull. I think the Wahhabi sect is more like 200-300 years old No, the House of Saud allied itself with Mr Wahhabi himself in the early 14th century in order to consolidate their hold on theArabian Peninsula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Except you're oversimplifying things. Saudi Wahhabism is not traditional Wahhabism is not neo-Salafist jihadism is not a dozen other splinter beliefs. A large number of current extremist groups believe the Saudis are infidels, and have for the past 25 years. (Side note: 25 years ago yesterday that Desert Storm kicked off, which is why the neo-Salafists consider the Saudis apostate.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 They are not absolved of course but the impetus comes from the clerics they likely regret being in partnership with, as well as the unwashed masses. Don't forget their rule is fragile and thats probably why the age old compact perists. Picture them trying to ride a two ton Bramah bull. No, the House of Saud allied itself with Mr Wahhabi himself in the early 14th century in order to consolidate their hold on theArabian Peninsula. Are you confusing C.E. time with A.H. time? Mr Wahhabi was born 1703 Calendar era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 (Side note: 25 years ago yesterday that Desert Storm kicked off, which is why the neo-Salafists consider the Saudis apostate.) Did you hear Obama's remarks on the 25th anniversary of Desert Storm? Yeah, me neither Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Are you confusing C.E. time with A.H. time? Mr Wahhabi was born 1703 Calendar era You are right of course. Thank you. Wasn't confusing datology, just forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Except you're oversimplifying things. Saudi Wahhabism is not traditional Wahhabism is not neo-Salafist jihadism is not a dozen other splinter beliefs. A large number of current extremist groups believe the Saudis are infidels, and have for the past 25 years. (Side note: 25 years ago yesterday that Desert Storm kicked off, which is why the neo-Salafists consider the Saudis apostate.) No doubt I am oversimplifying things. But are we quibbling. Saudi Arabia is also home to it in its most primitive aspect and Saudi Arabians, like Bin Laden, amongst its principal exponents. My point was that the people who run the country are not to be confused with them. If they were one and the same there would be an official policy for the extermination of all Shia Moslems, even Saudi citizens, since fundamentalist Wahhabism regards non-conforming Moslems as more contemptible than infidels, and clearly they don't do that. Besides the extremists in Saudi Arabia are a threat to the Royal Family and their mortal enemy. Hardly surprising that "official" Wahhabism looks to distinguish itself from them. OTOH, note that the Saudis are in no hurry to eliminate ISIS because they are a Sunni bulwark against Shia Iran and therefore they serve their regional interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 No doubt I am oversimplifying things. But are we quibbling. Saudi Arabia is also home to it in its most primitive aspect and Saudi Arabians, like Bin Laden, amongst its principal exponents. My point was that the people who run the country are not to be confused with them. If they were one and the same there would be an official policy for the extermination of all Shia Moslems, even Saudi citizens, since fundamentalist Wahhabism regards non-conforming Moslems as more contemptible than infidels, and clearly they don't do that. Besides the extremists in Saudi Arabia are a threat to the Royal Family and their mortal enemy. Hardly surprising that "official" Wahhabism looks to distinguish itself from them. OTOH, note that the Saudis are in no hurry to eliminate ISIS because they are a Sunni bulwark against Shia Iran and therefore they serve their regional interests. I meant "you" in the plural sense, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I meant "you" in the plural sense, btw. Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share Posted January 18, 2016 Reports: Palestinian stabs Israeli woman to death at home in front of children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Reports: Palestinian stabs Israeli woman to death at home in front of children Domestic violence We need universal background checks at Bed, Bath, & Beyond to keep assault knives out of the hands of domestic abusers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 "She probably had it coming," said B. O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) Did you hear Obama's remarks on the 25th anniversary of Desert Storm? Yeah, me neither "I think there's a slight left-to-right break..." Edited January 19, 2016 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 "I think there's a slight left-to-right break..." It looks like there's some sort of a sea monster in the water hazard. I believe it's a kraken Bruce. The crowd is electric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 And you know where Bush was when Desert Storm kicked off? Kennebunkport. Commander-in-Chief couldn't be bothered to be available for the start of the war. So Obama just followed a long presidential tradition of ignoring it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Did you hear Obama's remarks on the 25th anniversary of Desert Storm? Yeah, me neither We're better off with HIM saying nothing on that topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 Al Arabiya English ✔ @AlArabiya_Eng Three people killed in #Cairo blast http://ara.tv/4m4fz 12:59 PM - 21 Jan 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 UN Experts conclude Saudi-led coalition conducted widespread airstrikes against civilian targets in violation of international law: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/27/un-report-into-saudi-led-strikes-in-yemen-raises-questions-over-uk-role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Gunman nabbed at Disney Paris: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35431086 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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