Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I've just lost all respect I had for him. Sexual orientation aside, he's using it for his own advantage. If he wanted to be "treated like any other player" he wouldn't be doing that. Doesn't one need to be invited to participate in the vet combine and in team workouts? Maybe this means his request for a vet combine invite has been denied and he isn't getting any requests for team workouts either. Dancing with the Stars does pay something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Wait. Tara Lipinski? The figure skater? That naughty little vixen. oops for some reason I was thinking of Tara Reid I was gonna say she was doing Super Bowl coverage with Johnny Weir. I have no idea why, but yeah it happened. Tara Lipinski will have a steady gig critiquing teenage girls on ice as long as she wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Doesn't one need to be invited to participate in the vet combine and in team workouts? Maybe this means his request for a vet combine invite has been denied and he isn't getting any requests for team workouts either. Dancing with the Stars does pay something. I guess. I didn't care for the fact that he was about to do a reality show for Oprah. If you want to be treated like everyone else, act like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Unfortunately in discussions like this, logic often has no value. The narrative is what matters. Sam is gay and out of the league. Therefore the NFL is homophobic. Identity trumps ability It's not a coincidence that Jackie Robinson was the one who broke the MLB color barrier, and not some mediocre 2nd baseman. Based on college talent, draft measurables, and last year's preseason with the Rams, Sam should be one of the guys who are on speed dial to come into a team in the event of injury and who are brought into camp for a look-see. But he didn't get any calls and he's not getting any looks this spring. Why? For a marginal talent, I think it's very likely the NFL doesn't want the distraction he brings. If he were JJ Watt, of course he'd be signed. Identity doesn't trump high ability, but it does trump marginal ability or potential. I guess. I didn't care for the fact that he was about to do a reality show for Oprah. If you want to be treated like everyone else, act like it. It's a valid point that his efforts to be treated like everyone else and get a look are hampered if he generates his own media buzz with stuff like Oprah appearances and DWTS. OTOH, the guy does need to bring in some $$. Does Oprah pay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 It's not a coincidence that Jackie Robinson was the one who broke the MLB color barrier, and not some mediocre 2nd baseman. Based on college talent, draft measurables, and last year's preseason with the Rams, Sam should be one of the guys who are on speed dial to come into a team in the event of injury and who are brought into camp for a look-see. But he didn't get any calls and he's not getting any looks this spring. Why? For a marginal talent, I think it's very likely the NFL doesn't want the distraction he brings. If he were JJ Watt, of course he'd be signed. Identity doesn't trump high ability, but it does trump marginal ability or potential. It's a valid point that his efforts to be treated like everyone else and get a look are hampered if he generates his own media buzz with stuff like Oprah appearances and DWTS. OTOH, the guy does need to bring in some $$. Does Oprah pay? She does. But this was last year, before the Rams cut him. But put yourself in the shoes of a GM. A player that is unproven, and seems to be a mediocre player at best, is already gonna be a distraction. Now he's gonna bring that distraction along with him. The coming out thing is one issue, but when you think about it, it's better that he came out on his own terms than some paparazzi scandal later. But if he really had any integrity, he would have turned down the reality show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 At the same time though, Jackie Robinson wasn't the best black ballplayer of his era by a long shot. One of the best. But talent wise, Josh Gibson was far superior. But he had anger issues. So when they hurled insults at him, they didn't trust him not to retaliate. Because if he did, it would have set black baseball back twenty years, because the argument would be "See. This is why the blacks can't play. They can't be trusted." Which is what it seems Michael Sam would be doing with the reality shows, etc. Whether he likes it or not, he's representing a whole group of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Doesn't one need to be invited to participate in the vet combine and in team workouts? Maybe this means his request for a vet combine invite has been denied and he isn't getting any requests for team workouts either. Dancing with the Stars does pay something. I didn't think they needed an invite but you are correct. From the press release: "The league expects to invite about 100 free agents to the Arizona combine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) I didn't think they needed an invite but you are correct. From the press release: "The league expects to invite about 100 free agents to the Arizona combine." He could pull a TO and hold his own workout, and invite the media and teams to show up. Edited February 25, 2015 by The Real Buffalo Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 What's he worst that can happen? Dude was dominant in the SEC and we could use some depth. I don't understand why he isn't getting more looks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Because he's not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 if you can explain our scheme, and why his skill set fits that better than other available FAs, perhaps you could sell the board on why hes the best choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 What's he worst that can happen? Dude was dominant in the SEC and we could use some depth. I don't understand why he isn't getting more looks Dude just ran a 7.8 40 yard and we're set at DE. Other than the fact that you've heard of him why should we have a Michael Sam thread every other week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 What's he worst that can happen? Dude was dominant in the SEC and we could use some depth. I don't understand why he isn't getting more looks He was worse at the veteran combine then he was at his rookie one... No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Just because he is gay? Seriously the guy is only being talked about because he is gay but he is not good. Its just as wrong to give him more attention The guy needs to look for something else to do outside of the NFL. He can only ride this homosexual story so long and at the least hopefully parlay it to something as a spokesman. Nonetheless we will be made to care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 What's he worst that can happen? The circus comes to town. No thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Dude just ran a 7.8 40 yard and we're set at DE. Other than the fact that you've heard of him why should we have a Michael Sam thread every other week? Is that a 4.8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Is that a 4.8? he was clocked over 5, but theres chatter the timing system was broken. everybody came up with awful times. J was just making a joke over how slow his time was. Edited March 26, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) he was clocked over 5, but theres chatter the timing system was broken. everybody came up with awful times. J was just making a joke over how slow his time was. I don't like to blame technology for slow people... Edited March 26, 2015 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 What's he worst that can happen? Dude was dominant in the SEC and we could use some depth. I don't understand why he isn't getting more looks He's not a very good pro football player. The only reason anyone knows about him is because he's gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 He's not a very good pro football player. The only reason anyone knows about him is because he's gay. wed have known about a guy with his college resume, but we wouldnt have a million threads.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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