Kelly the Dog Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 That's our CJ! The classic 8 rushes, 50 yards where they go for 1, 0, -3, 2, 0, -2, 2, 48 -- hey, he's averaging 6+ per carry! Does anyone have an explanation for the squib kickoff? Obviously some kind of designed play since the formation was odd (and illegal). And Gay's kickoffs were shorter today. Is he hurting? At any rate, just let Carpenter kickoff and use the roster spot already. Between that and the 12 men on the field play Marrone continues to show he has this team in peak Preseason Game 2 form. The only explanation is that we were scared of Cordell Patterson. Marrone in his press conference almost sounded surprised that we called that. It was dumb, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 This is why Orton is playing. Protection, but he keeps his cool. His biggest dumb play was the fumble. Just take the sack. Otherwise, he plays in a way (undisturbed) that EJ needs to learn or he will never win in this league. Sammy pick will pay dividends for years to come. Would still like to see M Williams more involved, despite the great Hogan catch. Gilmore didn't play well. gives up too much cushion. out of position. Glenn getting beaten with the rest of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 The only explanation is that we were scared of Cordell Patterson. Marrone in his press conference almost sounded surprised that we called that. It was dumb, for sure. Just plain weird at that point in the game, conceding the other team great field position. Of course, given how the Vikes offense rarely got anything going, a kick return by Patterson may have been their best weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Why did we see Dixon split wide today more times than CJ was all season? My same question. Why? Because our OC is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) - Sammy Watkins, Rookie of Week for 2nd time: 9 catches. 122 yards, 2 TDs including game winner - We need guards bad. Should have signed Richie weeks ago. When the inevitable happens and do so now, it will look like we compromised values out of desperation - Unless he's not IR'd, IMO Spiller has played his last game for the Bills. In his absence they will learn it's the line and not the RB that matters, because they will pay more attention to the line thinking they can't just rely on the starting RBs. Approaching 30 and the team not having had success with him, unless he stays around for dirt cheap, don't see them resigning him - It's scary how slow Orton is. He runs like a cripple. Shade of Dan Marino, an old Dan Marino - Our run D wasn't as strong this week, but only because Spikes made some bad decisions and lost lane responsibility on a few plays. They'll correct that and be back on track next week, when we really need to shut down Jets run attack - Anyone busting on the defense needs their head examined. To surrender only 16 points when your own offense is turning it over and going three n' out is outstanding - Hogan proved me wrong. Great for him! Happy we kept him over Graham, and started him over Williams. He's physical and can make tough catches. Edited October 19, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 My same question. Why? Because our OC is an idiot. One WR, two TE, Boobie split out. Unconscionably bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) This is why Orton is playing. Protection, but he keeps his cool. His biggest dumb play was the fumble. Just take the sack. Otherwise, he plays in a way (undisturbed) that EJ needs to learn or he will never win in this league. Sammy pick will pay dividends for years to come. Would still like to see M Williams more involved, despite the great Hogan catch. Gilmore didn't play well. gives up too much cushion. out of position. Glenn getting beaten with the rest of them. Orton also had that intentional grounding because he ran out of clock time while audibling and just threw it. It was pretty awful. He almost had another grounding call or horrible sack that one time. Ball barely made it back to the line. That being said, the dude is clutch. Gilmore was solid in coverage most of the game. He was beaten at the most crucial moments, though. Schwartz is partly to blame, methinks. Rushing 3 and playing deep zone on 3rd and long instead of bring the heat. We obviously notice the sacks. Glenn is getting beat more this year than last year, but he is still clearly our best lineman and is still reliable. Not every LT is Walter Jones. The great ones still get beat sometimes. Edited October 19, 2014 by Big C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 That's our CJ! The classic 8 rushes, 50 yards where they go for 1, 0, -3, 2, 0, -2, 2, 48 -- hey, he's averaging 6+ per carry! Does anyone have an explanation for the squib kickoff? Obviously some kind of designed play since the formation was odd (and illegal). And Gay's kickoffs were shorter today. Is he hurting? At any rate, just let Carpenter kickoff and use the roster spot already. Between that and the 12 men on the field play Marrone continues to show he has this team in peak Preseason Game 2 form. The wind was very strong, per the radio. They had said the wind was different on many levels. It was all wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Hogan since Orton took over: 12 catches in 14 targets, 162 yards, 13.5 avg., 1 TD, 1 fumble. I think we've found our slot receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Richardson is brutal. Can't handle the stunt, and it's a major, major issue. Also, did anyone catch the Marrone brain cramp at the end of the first half? I can't believe it we didn't call timeout before the Vikings lined up for a long field goal. We allowed probably 20 seconds to burn off the clock, and had the Vikings missed the field goal we would have wasted an opportunity to steal three points at the end of the first half. It may seem like a small thing, but the margin of victory is obviously very fine and something like that could easily have hurt us today. This team has no business trying for points at the end of the firts half with 3 minutes or less. All they manage to do is give the opponent a chance to score points. Last week, this week and I believe at least one other time this year. The don't have the team for it. Or maybe it is the coaching. Or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 The wind was very strong, per the radio. They had said the wind was different on many levels. It was all wind. Thanks ... I think that's what I missed watching on TV since the field "looked" calm, but those short kickoffs should have clued me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterNextYearRight? Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 A win is a win but Marrone needs to put the talent together or leave. Reminds me of our 5-0(?) start under Chan when a poster started a topic "Bills way of winning unsustainable", with so much talent we need to take control. Pessimism out of the way, can't wait to see Bryce Brown next week and great game by Watkins and Hogan. Never thought Hogan would amount to anything and I'll eat some crow on this one, he played ball today. Hughes deserves a new contract, keep this D-Line together for the next few years and it gives the Bills a consistent identity on defense. Can we find some more CB's though? Gilmore isn't cutting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Thanks ... I think that's what I missed watching on TV since the field "looked" calm, but those short kickoffs should have clued me in. kick offs would just die at about the 15-20 yardline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 A few thoughts about the game......................... The Bills, while showing signs of improvement, still need a QB The Defense floundered today a bit, and even though the turnovers tired them I'm sure, they showed real commitment throughout the game as a unit, individual players however.............another story, some positions should be revisited this coming off season on that side of the ball The Offense, specifically the offensive line, I don't care what anyone says, your given a game plan, you practice it, your payed to execute it on game day, a big problem here............ CJ and Fred out, time for some old time, smash mouth, big running back football. It's about time I say............... The last second heroics, shouldn't have been needed against this opponent. It exposes the Bills weakness, which comes back to...................QB And last but not least, coaching. If you put a game day plan in place, and practice it through out the week, then the failures on the field most also be shared with the coaching staff, starting with the head coach, but, to include the GM as well since that is the individual that assembled this staff................ Changes need to be made, and the sooner, the better, but, once again, I see improvement from past seasons................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 A win is a win but Marrone needs to put the talent together or leave. Reminds me of our 5-0(?) start under Chan when a poster started a topic "Bills way of winning unsustainable", with so much talent we need to take control. Pessimism out of the way, can't wait to see Bryce Brown next week and great game by Watkins and Hogan. Never thought Hogan would amount to anything and I'll eat some crow on this one, he played ball today. Hughes deserves a new contract, keep this D-Line together for the next few years and it gives the Bills a consistent identity on defense. Can we find some more CB's though? Gilmore isn't cutting it. Slot guys need to have that combination of athleticism and toughness or to fight off being jammed at the line. So far that's what I like about Hogan. He's got enough size and strength (I don't think Woods does) to get into those seams, and enough athleticism to turn it up field every now and then. Not saying he's great, but a reliable slot guy is critical, particularly with a struggling run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 A few thoughts about the game......................... The Bills, while showing signs of improvement, still need a QB The Defense floundered today a bit, and even though the turnovers tired them I'm sure, they showed real commitment throughout the game as a unit, individual players however.............another story, some positions should be revisited this coming off season on that side of the ball The Offense, specifically the offensive line, I don't care what anyone says, your given a game plan, you practice it, your payed to execute it on game day, a big problem here............ CJ and Fred out, time for some old time, smash mouth, big running back football. It's about time I say............... The last second heroics, shouldn't have been needed against this opponent. It exposes the Bills weakness, which comes back to...................QB And last but not least, coaching. If you put a game day plan in place, and practice it through out the week, then the failures on the field most also be shared with the coaching staff, starting with the head coach, but, to include the GM as well since that is the individual that assembled this staff................ Changes need to be made, and the sooner, the better, but, once again, I see improvement from past seasons................ the Bills' weakness is clearly OL, not QB. Orton may deserve some blame for a pick or a couple sacks, but the OL is just not giving him time. I will take Orton's occasional pick and late heroics any day. We can win with him. Long term? Obviously not, but he can work for the next couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Slot guys need to have that combination of athleticism and toughness or to fight off being jammed at the line. So far that's what I like about Hogan. He's got enough size and strength (I don't think Woods does) to get into those seams, and enough athleticism to turn it up field every now and then. Not saying he's great, but a reliable slot guy is critical, particularly with a struggling run game. Robert Woods is plenty tough, runs better patterns, has better hands, is a better blocker, and a ton more experience at the WR in and out of the slot position. He should be there and Mike Williams should be on the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) the Bills' weakness is clearly OL, not QB. Orton may deserve some blame for a pick or a couple sacks, but the OL is just not giving him time. I will take Orton's occasional pick and late heroics any day. We can win with him. Long term? Obviously not, but he can work for the next couple years. Is Orton in the top tier? Of course not. In the Philip Rivers or Flacco Tier? No. Is he in the Andy Dalton tier? What says that he isn't? For that matter, I don't see an objective results-oriented (not "potential") argument that Jay Cutler is clearly better. Is that where we want to be? No, but it's better than where we were. Edited October 19, 2014 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Is Orton in the top tier? Of course not. In the Philip Rivers or Flacco Tier? No. Is he in the Andy Dalton tier? What says that he isn't? For that matter, I don't see an objective results-oriented (not "potential") argument that Jay Cutler is clearly better. Is that where we want to be? No, but it's better than where we were. Exactly. We don't have a first rounder next year. Orton is a journeyman, but look at Carson Palmer's career. Maybe he was better in his early years than Orton, but he has gone on to his third team now and is doing just fine in Arizona. Orton can be that guy for us, for now. We give him protection, he can light it up. We've seen his veteran qualities surface and he's largely come through in clutch situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 My thoughts on most of the game: Orton Blows! Watkins is a frigging bust Hogan sucks ass Chandler can kiss my ass last drive: Ignore above, I love all of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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