Tommy Callahan Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 40 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: To be clear. I'm not saying guns should be illegal but removing it as a constitutional right would make it far easier to push for real gun control laws that actually have an impact. It would be a privilege and not a right (like driving) to own a gun. It would take decades, a high amount of activism, and a lot more mass shootings for it to even be considered. You're not going to get all the guns off the street but gun buyback programs have been successful in other countries. Im just a realist and can see the logistics of that, making the problem worse. And creating more problems. americans are not other counties citizens. 300+ million in closets. not registered. no records. And right off the bat, who is disarming the gangs that commit most of the violence, that in turn pushes people to search out self-defense? Eff, in reality every time gun bans or removing the second narrative even hits the cycle, gun sales go up. The day the discussion goes to addressing the issue, from attacking Americans rights, I think progress could happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) Or maybe, just maybe, someone could write a Constitutional Amendment. Why does this have to be so complicated? Edited March 28, 2023 by SoCal Deek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, redtail hawk said: ya think they'd do better with machine guns? not with those idiots teaching them. the guy showing his 12 yo son has him shooting from the hip! Maybe some birdshot or shot for skeet to start? or a 16 OR 20 GAUGE? And you want these people to own AR's? And for @Chris farley, this from the NRA who recommend shotguns for home protection: "Buckshot will penetrate multiple layers of drywall at any range. Smaller shot, like #4 birdshot, will penetrate at close range (under 10 feet) where the pattern is very tight, but less so at longer ranges. Think about how long your shots might be inside your home and what might lie behind your target in the most likely confrontation spots. If you live alone, overpenetration might not be a consideration, unless you live alone in an apartment building full of other people" They post some good info. If they stuck to hunting and recreational shooting, I'd join. https://www.nrawomen.com/content/what-shot-size-should-you-use/ I think they should have added "Avoid buying pink guns for protection". I wasn't disagreeing with you. I would add the average joe with his 9, will blow right through a wall. Eddie eagle probably saved lives by teaching kids about gun safety. 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Or maybe, just maybe, someone could write a Constitutional Amendment. Why does this have to be so complicated? With 3/4 of both houses? State ratification? what would the amendment say? ban semi long guns? end the second? Edited March 28, 2023 by Chris farley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chris farley said: I wasn't disagreeing with you. I would add the average joe with his 9, will blow right through a wall. Eddie eagle probably saved lives by teaching kids about gun safety. With 3/4 of both houses? State ratification? what would the amendment say? It would say whatever opponents of the current wording want it to say. Geeez we’ve become increasingly lazy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: It would say whatever opponents of the current wording want it to say. Geeez we’ve become increasingly lazy! Why, so it gets a vote to see where people stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Chris farley said: Why, so it gets a vote to see where people stand? Why? Because if the Left wants to fundamentally change the country, maybe just maybe they should change via the means provided in the documents. That’s why. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Why? Because if the Left wants to fundamentally change the country, maybe just maybe they should change via the means provided in the documents. That’s why. I cannot argue with any of that, was just wondering the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chris farley said: I cannot argue with any of that, was just wondering the reason. Like with all things. It’s not terribly complicated. I’m exhausted from the bickering. If people want to change the country….CHANGE IT! Or….go somewhere that’s more to your liking. There are plenty of countries to choose from. It’s a small world and pretty easy to get from place to place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Like with all things. It’s not terribly complicated. I’m exhausted from the bickering. If people want to change the country….CHANGE IT! Or….go somewhere that’s more to your liking. There are plenty of countries to choose from. It’s a small world and pretty easy to get from place to place. What if you love where you live but think it could be so much better.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just now, redtail hawk said: What if you love where you live but think it could be so much better.... No problem Hawk. The country has been changing for centuries. And for really big things we change the Constitution. Go for it! 👍 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Joey just said "the majority of gun owners agree"... I can name at least 100 that he's never spoken to... nor who have been polled. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, T&C said: Joey just said "the majority of gun owners agree"... I can name at least 100 that he's never spoken to... nor who have been polled. Statistics is hard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: What if you love where you live but think it could be so much better.... Then ya don’t really love it …. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 *looks at data* ”Yep. Must be the libs / lack of guns / doors / trans people / lack of church / single parent families / gays / unarmed teachers. That makes sense to me.” 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: *looks at data* ”Yep. Must be the libs / lack of guns / doors / trans people / lack of church / single parent families / gays / unarmed teachers. That makes sense to me.” Are you under some odd false impression that people don’t already know that? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Are you under some odd false impression that people don’t already know that? Maybe read this thread of people blaming literally anything other than the prevalence of guns. I think the current reason for gun violence according to PPP is trans people. It’ll change with the next mass shooting later this week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just now, ChiGoose said: Maybe read this thread of people blaming literally anything other than the prevalence of guns. I think the current reason for gun violence according to PPP is trans people. It’ll change with the next mass shooting later this week. It’s guns, a broken system and mental illness. In many cases it’s depression in young males. This instance it’s a trans person. Potential gender identity issues in other recent shootings as well. Most shootings have laws on the books to prevent them already. The law just wasn’t enforced. We should be able to have a conversation about all of it. Im certainly open to the gun discussion… hopefully the people arguing to take away rights from law abiding citizens will learn what they’re talking about when it comes to firearms, so that they don’t make idiotic arguments that put half the country on the defensive. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Doc Brown said: To be clear. I'm not saying guns should be illegal but removing it as a constitutional right would make it far easier to push for real gun control laws that actually have an impact. It would be a privilege and not a right (like driving) to own a gun. It would take decades, a high amount of activism, and a lot more mass shootings for it to even be considered. You're not going to get all the guns off the street but gun buyback programs have been successful in other countries. Please explain exactly what gun laws will keep the guns from the bad guys ? I'll wait . Especially seeing as they have literally no respect for the law it self in any form or who makes them or enforces them ? Again i'll wait thank you . 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 26 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: *looks at data* ”Yep. Must be the libs / lack of guns / doors / trans people / lack of church / single parent families / gays / unarmed teachers. That makes sense to me.” So folks in those countries really really want to commit murder with guns , they’re just not “ allowed “ to by the super duper intelligent deep thinkers ? Mmmmmmkay! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 What a joke. It's staring us all in the face, and idiots are still like, muh guns! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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