What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Tiberius]

Just now, LeviF said:

 

TTD is up 5.4%!

Alright! And it's only May 25th, so much time for more massacres, those stocks are real profitable! 

[ArdmoreRyno]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Ideas?

 

The Republican Party has proven over and over again that they are unwilling to pass meaningful gun legislation.

 

How many more innocent people have to die for US to start to place the blame where it belongs:

 

YOU

 

Republican voters endorse these mass killings by continuing to vote in these gun loving NRA candidates.
 

YOU OWN THIS

 

 

Again, BillStime provides ZERO solutions. Just b*tch and post tweets. 

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Again, BillStime provides ZERO solutions. Just b*tch and post tweets. 

yep - cuz we are at the point where responsibility for these massacres lies with your choices.

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

yep - cuz we are at the point where responsibility for these massacres lies with your choices.

 

 

 

It's time to put you on ignore.... because you. Don't. Provide. Solutions. Or. Ideas. JUST complain. 

[BillStime]

Just now, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

It's time to put you on ignore.... because you. Don't. Provide. Solutions. Or. Ideas. JUST complain. 

Guilt sucks - do some thing about it 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Guilt sucks - do some thing about it 

 

 

 

For the 3rd time, I've posted ideas. On the other hand, you? Nothing. 

[BuffaninSarasota]

14 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Again, BillStime provides ZERO solutions. Just b*tch and post tweets. 

 

and where is the outrage every Monday morning after the weekly slaughter in Chicago? Maybe because it doesn't fit the narrative?

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 minute ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

 

and where is the outrage every Monday morning after the weekly slaughter in Chicago? Maybe because it doesn't fit the narrative?

 

Amen. 

 

I didn't see ANYONE here post about the high school graduation shooting outside NOLA last week. No one here cared. 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

 

and where is the outrage every Monday morning after the weekly slaughter in Chicago? Maybe because it doesn't fit the narrative?

You want a narrative?

 

Where are the guns coming from in Chicago?

 

Yep - the neighboring states with poor gun laws.

 

 

[billsfan1959]

5 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

It's time to put you on ignore.... because you. Don't. Provide. Solutions. Or. Ideas. JUST complain. 

 

An added physiological bonus of putting him on ignore is that you will begin to regenerate those brain cells destroyed by reading his posts

[snafu]

12 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Generally? The GOP electeds.

 

They hide in their “thoughts and prayers” but if they actually wanted people not to die they would do some fairly popular things like mandated background checks, and common sense gun laws.

 

Instead, they will say how awful it is while deflecting and saying it’s all mental illness despite the fact that every country has people with mental illness but no other rich country has these problems. 

 

I’m fairly certain there are representatives of both parties who are obstacles to reform. Politicizing this issue is disingenuous. People need to stop making it out to be that there are no gun owners who want and like their guns and are registered Democrat or Independent — and no gun owners who are completely apolitical. If there was real political will from both parties, gun reform wouldn’t be an issue today. 

 

Talking about mental illness isn’t a deflection, either.  Neither is it a deflection to talk about social media and it’s effects on young minds.  Why wouldn’t people seek multiple ways to deal with this problem. Is it only a deflection when “GOP electeds” talk about these issues?

 

[BillStime]

 

[ChiGoose]

15 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

I’m fairly certain there are representatives of both parties who are obstacles to reform. Politicizing this issue is disingenuous. People need to stop making it out to be that there are no gun owners who want and like their guns and are registered Democrat or Independent — and no gun owners who are completely apolitical. If there was real political will from both parties, gun reform wouldn’t be an issue today. 

 

Talking about mental illness isn’t a deflection, either.  Neither is it a deflection to talk about social media and it’s effects on young minds.  Why wouldn’t people seek multiple ways to deal with this problem. Is it only a deflection when “GOP electeds” talk about these issues?

 

 

Other countries have people with mental illness. Other countries have people using social media. But most countries don't have the sheer number of gun deaths that we do. The difference is the prevalence and ease of access to guns.

 

The Democratic Party has long advocated for stronger gun control laws. And while I don't think the policies they advocate are always optimal (banning AR-15s won't really do much), they at least try to make it harder for these killings to happen. The Republican Party not only opposes and blocks those attempts, but also promotes a gun-forward culture where we have things like the governor of Texas complaining because his state was in second in gun sales, not first. I am not politicizing the issue, the politicians are.

 

Guns are dangerous tools and should be treated as such. We should make it harder for people to obtain them and promote a healthy and responsible culture around them.

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by ChiGoose
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[ArdmoreRyno]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Other countries have people with mental illness. Other countries have people using social media. But most countries don't have the sheer number of gun deaths that we do. The difference is the prevalence and ease of access to guns.

 

The Democratic Party has long advocated for stronger gun control laws. And while I don't think the policies they advocate are always optimal (banning AR-15s won't really do much), they at least try to make it harder for these killings to happen. The Republican Party not only opposes and blocks those attempts, but also promotes a gun-forward culture where we have things like the governor of Texas complaining because his state was in second in gun sales, not first. I am not politicizing the issue, the politicians are.

 

Guns are dangerous tools and should be treated as such. We should make it harder for people to obtain them and promote a healthy and responsible culture around them.

 

 

[BillStime]

Nah - it’s time to turn up the heat on these insecure cowards and their voters - they are 100% responsible for the gun violence in this nation.

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by BillStime

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Nah - it’s time to turn up the heat on these insecure cowards and their voters - they are 100% response for the gun violence in this nation.

 

 

 

So you have a lot in common with those quotes. No solutions. 

[ChiGoose]

3 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

 

Look at the dates on some of those. 1907? What are we even talking about here? Is this supposed to make a convincing point about something?

 

If you want real numbers, let's look at per capita gun deaths by country. If you notice, the average is 6.5 but the US is almost double that. Despite being a rich nation, we are lumped in with violent Latin American countries instead of our economic peers. 

 

 

Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

 

We can try to cherry pick the data all we want but when you look at how often Americans are killed by guns, it far exceeds what you would expect to see in a developed nation.

 

If you're fine with that because of whatever reason, that's up to you. But let's not pretend it's something it's not. We know it's solvable because other nations have solved it.  Canada's rate is 2.05. France's is 2.83. Australia is 1.04. We can look to any of these countries to figure out how to reduce the gun deaths here, but that would require us actually wanting to save lives.

[wnyguy]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Nah - it’s time to turn up the heat on these insecure cowards and their voters - they are 100% response for the gun violence in this nation.

 

 

Tragedies like this really make you happy don't they. I can't imagine it myself but you and tibs just wallow in this stuff like a pig in mud. Lay blame, point fingers, even laugh, meanwhile little children, innocent children, have had their lives taken. You have no intelligent solutions only rhetoric. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Look at the dates on some of those. 1907? What are we even talking about here? Is this supposed to make a convincing point about something?

 

If you want real numbers, let's look at per capita gun deaths by country. If you notice, the average is 6.5 but the US is almost double that. Despite being a rich nation, we are lumped in with violent Latin American countries instead of our economic peers. 

 

 

Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

 

We can try to cherry pick the data all we want but when you look at how often Americans are killed by guns, it far exceeds what you would expect to see in a developed nation.

 

If you're fine with that because of whatever reason, that's up to you. But let's not pretend it's something it's not. We know it's solvable because other nations have solved it.  Canada's rate is 2.05. France's is 2.83. Australia is 1.04. We can look to any of these countries to figure out how to reduce the gun deaths here, but that would require us actually wanting to save lives.

 

This is also 'cherry picking'. 

 

Most gun related deaths in the United States are suicides. 

[ChiGoose]

7 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

This is also 'cherry picking'. 

 

Most gun related deaths in the United States are suicides. 

 

And those people are not worth saving?

 

People who survive suicide attempts rarely end up dying via suicide. And most methods of suicide have a completion rate of 10% or less. Suicide attempts by guns are 90%+ effective.