B-Man Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 The administration's demand for more gun control crucially rests on the claim of competence. The argument that it is better to rely on state protection than on individual self-defense is only worth having if things work as advertised. But if the administration fails to push back against hostile ideologies and screen refugees, opens the borders, and refuses to heed obvious warnings, the administration has effectively disabled the regulars and you are left with the militia. The failure to anticipate consequences has allowed an outside threat to become an insider attack, and that has weakened the Obama administration's claim to public trust. "Jump, I'll catch you" is credible only when the fireman's net is not surrounded by mashed bodies. If the Second Amendment didn't exist, it might have to be invented to meet the current situation. The more incompetent the Obama administration becomes, the less convincing its demand for public disarmament will be. Conversely, the more competence the administration demonstrates, the more likely the public is to entrust its safety to it. Historically, state failure drives civilian armament, not the other way around. Perhaps the clearest example of this trend is Lebanon, where the inability of the central government to protect the sectarian communities has led each to protect itself. While America is not Lebanon, the same principles hold true: competence inspires confidence, and there is precious little competence in the administration. The president has addressed the nation in the aftermath of terror attacks far too often. His assurances that America can absorb such attacks because he's smarter and tougher than the terrorists fall flat, as they come in the wake of announcements that the government, again, had the suspects in their grasp before letting them go. The administration has a security model that is not working. The FBI is looking for ordinary criminals and "hatemongers." Armed with these descriptions, they keep letting the usual suspects go because they don't fit the bill. Yet time and again they come back as a surprise. Maybe the greatest trick Islamic terrorism ever pulled was convincing Obama it didn't exist. https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2016/06/13/the-brain-surgeon-and-the-cleaning-lady/3/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Well, when the President of the US says this in the wake of the worst shooting tragedy in history, we should all wonder just WTF does he mean by it. "In the coming hours and days, we’ll learn about the victims of this tragedy. Their names. Their faces. Who they were. The joy that they brought to families and to friends, and the difference that they made in this world. Say a prayer for them and say a prayer for their families -- that God give them the strength to bear the unbearable. And that He give us all the strength to be there for them, and the strength and courage to change. We need to demonstrate that we are defined more -- as a country -- by the way they lived their lives than by the hate of the man who took them from us." What's this? WE have to change. Change how - become Muslim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 President Obama also said: "We've seen our government mistreat our fellow citizens & it has been a shameful part of our history." He followed that right up with the dem's plea to pass a bill that would suspend constitutional rights to individuals based on secret lists with no due process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Journalist fires AR-15 for the first time...gets PTSD. The recoil bruised my shoulder. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary case of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable. No toxic masculinity here. Amazing to watch the press so blatantly blame something other than the terrorist for killing 50 people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Journalist fires AR-15 for the first time...gets PTSD. No toxic masculinity here. Amazing to watch the press so blatantly blame something other than the terrorist for killing 50 people. "Temporary PTSD?" That's a new one. The definition of PTSD is that IT'S NOT TEMPORARY. That's right up there with "obfuscating with detail." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 "Temporary PTSD?" That's a new one. The definition of PTSD is that IT'S NOT TEMPORARY. That's right up there with "obfuscating with detail." He's getting mocked mercilessly on Twitter...mostly by women posting photos of themselves shooting an AR-15. Twitter is loaded today with newspapers posting comments about guns in America. It's pretty embarrassing because they're information is so wrong...given the shooter didn't use an AR-15. Even Mediaite is going after some of the articles. WAPO, NYT Blame Gun That Wasn't Used In Orlando Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/13/the-assault-weapons-ban-is-a-stupid-idea-pushed-by-stupid-people/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Journalist fires AR-15 for the first time...gets PTSD. No toxic masculinity here. Amazing to watch the press so blatantly blame something other than the terrorist for killing 50 people. And Obama's gone off on Trump today. Why can't he muster the same kind of passion toward ISIS and those they influence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 "Why do all you nuts cling to your guns ?" "Only paranoid idiots want AR-15s in case the government becomes tyrannical." "What do you think of Trump?" "He's literally the next Hitler" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 President Obama also said: "We've seen our government mistreat our fellow citizens & it has been a shameful part of our history." He followed that right up with the dem's plea to pass a bill that would suspend constitutional rights to individuals based on secret lists with no due process. Somehow I think the irony is lost on him..... Good Lord.. He's getting mocked mercilessly on Twitter...mostly by women posting photos of themselves shooting an AR-15. Twitter is loaded today with newspapers posting comments about guns in America. It's pretty embarrassing because they're information is so wrong...given the shooter didn't use an AR-15. Even Mediaite is going after some of the articles. WAPO, NYT Blame Gun That Wasn't Used In Orlando Its willful ignorance to push an agenda. Period. Lets call it what it is. There is no desire to report accurately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 I'm admittedly gun ignorant... What are the effective differences between the AR-15 and Sig Sauer MCX? On initial review it seems like they are effectively similar weapons with not much use for anything other than killing people. I suppose maybe hunting animals like Coyote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) The copy cats for the damage that type of gun can do . The type of ammo that can fragment or tumble after entering is bad stuff . The politicians will do what big money orders them to do , this is not a democracy after all. Edited June 15, 2016 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 I'm admittedly gun ignorant... What are the effective differences between the AR-15 and Sig Sauer MCX? On initial review it seems like they are effectively similar weapons with not much use for anything other than killing people. I suppose maybe hunting animals like Coyote? Ballistically 5.56mm will behave the same out of the barrel of an MXC as it would an AR15 or a bolt action rifle. Finger squeezes trigger Trigger extends firing pin Pin strikes primer Primer ignites charge Expanding gas launches bullet Bullet rotates as at accelerates thru the barrel (like throwing a spiral in football) Bullet exits barrel Gas channeled back thru the action to force bolt back, ejecting spent casing Bolt pushes back on spring which compresses and releases to send the bolt back, which pulls next round from magazine and resets the trigger Rinse and repeat That simple mechanical action my friend, is the super high tech weapon of war that you fear so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 I'm admittedly gun ignorant... What are the effective differences between the AR-15 and Sig Sauer MCX? On initial review it seems like they are effectively similar weapons with not much use for anything other than killing people. I suppose maybe hunting animals like Coyote? I think it was Jim in Anchorage who first posted this link to a blog about a single farmer's war against feral pigs in Eastern Texas. Read it. Get educated. There's a number of legitimate uses for this type of gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 It was probably the bayonet lug that caused this tragedy. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-calls-assault-weapons-ban-fly-buy-law/story?id=39846590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 And Obama's gone off on Trump today. Why can't he muster the same kind of passion toward ISIS and those they influence? Because a nation divided is more easily duped. We have the America most thinking people knew we would have under a man whose leadership resume wouldn't make a decent attachment to a McDonald's job application. He's the first troll president, and I'm convinced he couldn't be happier with his results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 HOW TO TEAR A NATION APART: Appeal To Liberal Self-Regard: After 9/11 and the Boston Bombings, Americans grieved together and comforted each other. They resolved to fight their attackers as one nation. Insofar as there was partisan dissension, it was mostly contained to cranks on either side. But the attacks at San Bernardino and Orlando have yielded an altogether different response, dominated by hostility, mistrust, and outrageous partisan attacks. Part of this is because the latter two attacks took place during a hotly-contested election season that has brought fevered populism to the fore on both sides of the aisle. But pe rhaps the most important reason Americans have been divided, rather than united, in the face of terror over the last year is simply because the terrorists elected to kill their victims with bullets. If Omar Mateen had planted Tsarnaev-style pressure-cooker bombs in the crowded Pulse nightclub on Saturday night, he may well have claimed just as many casualties. But the attack would not have immediately set off a political firestorm over gun control. Guns occupy a critical space in America’s increasingly acerbic culture wars, a manifestation of the broader social convection currents taking place below the surface. For Jacksonians who are losing faith in the ability of established institutions to preserve order, the Second Amendment is a bulwark against totalitarian movements, like Islamism, that would undermine American liberty. Under this deeply held view, attacks by ISIS-enthusiasts strengthen, rather than weaken, the case for gun rights. But for cosmopolitan liberals, gun rights are an anachronism—a symbol of all the wrong-headed views espoused by working class whites. Set these two warring camps against each other in the context of an ongoing terror threat, and you push an already divided society even further down the path of tribalism and fracture. The attackers in Orlando and San Bernardino accomplished something the attackers in Boston and New York didn’t: They d rove a wedge between patriotic Americans, and managed to ensure that our grieving over the dead was polluted from the outset by a din of vicious political assaults. By any measure, they and their fellow travelers must consider this a great success. Perhaps terrorists who choose to carry out their massacres with guns are actually “taking advantage” of American society in a rather different way than many liberals think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 What's easier? finding and deporting all illegal aliens finding and confiscating all guns ...although, only one of these is currently against the law. (even though it's not enforced.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 dems are now talking filibuster of all other Senate bills until their 'gun bill' is brought up Do the facts that the #Orlando terrorist didn't use an AR15, had a background check done, and wasn't on a terror watch list............................... matter at all? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 dems are now talking filibuster of all other Senate bills until their 'gun bill' is brought up Do the facts that the #Orlando terrorist didn't use an AR15, had a background check done, and wasn't on a terror watch list............................... matter at all? Is this just the bill to block people on the terrorist watch list? They wish to set a precedent that they can restrict constitutional right with little or no evidence. It would only be a matter of time until they created a no-gun list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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