DC Tom Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 <In my best Maxell Smart voice>. Listen, I hope I wasn't out of line with my stoner remark back there. It is possible to have Chron's and be a stoner, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 It is possible to have Chron's and be a stoner, you know. But I assume he's using the pot for relief from the symptoms. It's kind of like making fun of someone on antidepressants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 As the decades pass, if I'm alone or in a crowd I no longer get paranoid. 1972 to 2014 - 42 years for me albeit at a mush less rate than I did as a teenager. Never fired from a job because of it, never in a car accident because of it, never in a brawl because of it. I never shot anyone with a hand gun, either. But we should ban those, of course... But I assume he's using the pot for relief from the symptoms. It's kind of like making fun of someone on antidepressants. What the !@#$? I'm on antidepressants, you make fun of me all the !@#$ing time, you !@#$! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I never shot anyone with a hand gun, either. But we should ban those, of course... What the !@#$? I'm on antidepressants, you make fun of me all the !@#$ing time, you !@#$! Glad you got the joke. But I don't make fun of you for being an antidepressanter......or whatever the !@#$ you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Security Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Get a job at a rental car place at the Denver airport, you can get free weed. https://gma.yahoo.com/denver-rental-cars-turning-pot-dumping-grounds-183729423--abc-news-topstories.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 As the decades pass, if I'm alone or in a crowd I no longer get paranoid. 1972 to 2014 - 42 years for me albeit at a mush less rate than I did as a teenager. Never fired from a job because of it, never in a car accident because of it, never in a brawl because of it. You're a towel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 <In my best Maxell Smart voice>. Listen, I hope I wasn't out of line with my stoner remark back there. No worries at all, no harm done. I laugh at myself more than anyone else, so it's all good. It is possible to have Chron's and be a stoner, you know. This is true. And sometimes I am. Though I'm trying not to be the embodiment of it. You're a towel. No, you're a towel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 No worries at all, no harm done. I laugh at myself more than anyone else, so it's all good. See this is what is happening to this once great country. We're being overrun by a bunch of passive stoners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 See this is what is happening to this once great country. We're being overrun by a bunch of passive stoners. No way. People with important jobs like security will keep America running. Low level employees like Greg don't have a say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 What the !@#$? I'm on antidepressants, you make fun of me all the !@#$ing time, you !@#$! It seems a touch hypocritical of you to be throwing around the 'stoner' term when you, apparently every day, are ingesting mind altering anti-depressants. Doctor recommended, like medical cannabis, but somehow so different in your mind, eh? Let me tell you, it ain't really different at all, stoner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 It seems a touch hypocritical of you to be throwing around the 'stoner' term when you, apparently every day, are ingesting mind altering anti-depressants. Doctor recommended, like medical cannabis, but somehow so different in your mind, eh? Let me tell you, it ain't really different at all, stoner. I'm sorry. Who here is calling people who truly use marijuana for medical purposes stoners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 See this is what is happening to this once great country. We're being overrun by a bunch of passive stoners. American is still a great country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 American is still a great country. You are one major dumbass you know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 You are one major dumbass you know that. And you get frustrated easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 I feel bad for you dude but I sometimes can't let a mistake slide. I believe it is called Krone's disease. Maybe autocorrect got you. Anyway, as you know diseases are often named after famous athletes, actors and politicians. Lou Gehrig's disease for example. Unlike Gehrig, famous jockey Julie Krone did not invent the disease named for her. Krone's messes with the digestive system as you mentioned and that will cause pained expressions on one's face. if you ever saw Julie Krone, that pained expression was a permanent look on her face. I'm not sure if she had the disease itself but the visual is helpful in describing the disease. It may not be fair to Julie but is it less fair than "Irritable Powell Syndrome" just because the guy is named Colin? I had no idea! But it looks like you might be correct! That show is "underrated" because it is on a channel nobody has or wants, filled with crappy actors and about smoking pot. Pot smoking shows do not get ratings for three reasons: 1. Non-pot smokers don't watch because they already get annoyed enough in real life 2. Many pot smokers have enough guilt about their bad and illegal habit that they don't want to remind themselves so they don't watch. I'm talking to you Red. 3. Even among the remaining fractional demographic, those pot heads who watch either don't remember when Nielsen calls because their short term memory is toast, they lie to Nielsen due to paranoia of exposing themselves as stoners, or their 68 year old parents with whom they still live answer and say they were watching Wheel of Fortune at that time. I'm behind in this thread as I've been running around all day, but I would be willing to bet that Sammy would LOVE Party Down. Don't fear, the scene I linked was one of the few marijuana gags in the show (there's one more involving a coffin which is even better). Thanks much for discussing. Sorry to hear that you have this affliction and am glad the marijuana helps. As I mentioned, the legalizations should help push the research, hopefully it also helps prescibing physicians step up and discuss their experiences with patients also. Thanks (and to everyone who wished well). I don't talk about it much because I've learned to live with it even with the limitations I now have in some areas. As I said, I never smoked in high school or college (and even now I prefer to vape rather then smoke) and avoided weed mainly due to athletics and the fact my older siblings all smoked and I never dug the lifestyle. It wasn't until I moved to California and got in a bad way health wise that my doctor recommended marijuana for the pain and appetite (at the time, I had dropped almost 100 pounds in less than three months due to the disease, I hadn't weighed that little since I was a freshman in high school). He wouldn't prescribe it himself as he was a legit specialist and it's easy to get a medical card in LA (especially if you have a real condition) so he pushed me in that direction. Since then I've been able to get off all prescribed pain meds (and I'm much healthier overall though not due to the weed, just healing over time) and the weed helps counteract the side effects of the meds I'm on to keep the disease in check (symptoms include headaches, joint pain, nausea etc.). I definitely wouldn't have even considered weed had I not moved to California for work, especially since in NYS it's still illegal. However, it's helped improve the quality of my life tremendously. ...While turning me into a loser stoner. See this is what is happening to this once great country. We're being overrun by a bunch of passive stoners. I came back from lunch to this post... I shouldn't have read it with my mouth full. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 You really should ask Michael Richards about Crohns if you ever run into him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 You really should ask Michael Richards about Crohns if you ever run into him. I had no idea he had it... Thanks for that info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I had no idea he had it... Thanks for that info. He didn't say he had it, he just said you should ask him about it. For all you know, it's going to send him on another rant about Jews and blacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 18, 2014 Author Share Posted July 18, 2014 He didn't say he had it, he just said you should ask him about it. For all you know, it's going to send him on another rant about Jews and blacks. :lol: I don't know if you watch Curb, but the reunion storyline where Richards goes off on JB Smoove is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 This doesn't suck. Virginia needs to follow suit but won't. http://inthecapital.streetwise.co/2014/07/16/marijuana-decriminalization-starts-at-midnight-heres-what-it-means-for-dc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 As the decades pass, if I'm alone or in a crowd I no longer get paranoid. 1972 to 2014 - 42 years for me albeit at a mush less rate than I did as a teenager. Wait - weren't you the one who said that the only reason people get paranoid is because it's illegal? So, that's what you were paranoid about for just under 42 years. Either way, this makes me feel really stupid - instead of giving up on it around 1979 or so, I could have battled the paranoia for 30+ more years, and it would have stopped. Damn, what a waste of time it was that I didn't do that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 if only you knew a joke when you saw it. Leaving an a out of the word is a joke? I don't get it..............I do remember laughing at things that weren't funny at all when I was stoned though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 :lol: I don't know if you watch Curb, but the reunion storyline where Richards goes off on JB Smoove is hilarious. You must be stoned if you missed that softball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 18, 2014 Author Share Posted July 18, 2014 You must be stoned if you missed that softball. Stoned with Groats. Not a good place to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I wonder what % of medical marijuana patients are really like you and what % just want to get high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I had no idea! But it looks like you might be correct! I'm behind in this thread as I've been running around all day, but I would be willing to bet that Sammy would LOVE Party Down. Don't fear, the scene I linked was one of the few marijuana gags in the show (there's one more involving a coffin which is even better). Rumor has it Borel's Disease was a runner up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I'm behind in this thread as I've been running around all day, but I would be willing to bet that Sammy would LOVE Party Down. Don't fear, the scene I linked was one of the few marijuana gags in the show (there's one more involving a coffin which is even better). Sammy has much more refined tastes than you'd think when it comes to comedy. He likes a lot of sophisticated Euro stuff and just about everything out of Iceland. For some reason he speaks whatever the heck that is, which I think is Swiss or something. Anyway, he thinks their stuff is a hoot. I just think it is weird. He does like slapstick a little though and considers The 3 Stooges show and some movie called Willard which I have never seen to be among his favorites. Does any of this sound like the Party show? If so I might break down and add that crappy channel which is the only channel on Earth I do not get at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) I wonder what % of medical marijuana patients are really like you and what % just want to get high. That is a great question and it varies tremendously by state. Some states are very easy to qualify and some very difficult. In the very difficult states it would probably turn out that 95% or so are in the program for medical reasons. In say California, I am unsure really but why let that stop me, eh? I would guess that maybe 40-50% are in it for medical purposes. In Michigan, I would say about 75-80% are legit. In Michigan, the average patient age is somewhere around 50 I believe. Many skeptics see a group of 20 somethings leaving a dispensary laughing and they think everyone is scamming. That isn't the case at all. I have met probably 100 other patients and I would say only 10-15% of the people I've met may have been shaky qualifiers. Actually, making that judgement of qualification based on the way someone looks at a moment in time is not really fair. Sick people don't really try to look sick when they are in public. They typically will try to put on their best face. The two subsets certainly intersect too. In other words, just because cannabis may help someone with cancer to maintain their appetite doesn't mean that that same patient may not indulge sometimes because they enjoy the sense of well being - the high. To flip it too, at some point the 20 something scammer comes to the realization that his knee injury may not hurt so bad after toking up with his buddies after the game. OMG, this stuff actually works! lol Edited July 18, 2014 by Bob in Mich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I don't want to preach but there is something that tripped up a lot of patients in Michigan when the medical cannabis initiative passed here. Yes, it was a 2008 ballot initiative in Michigan that won 63% to 37% Anyway, be careful in discussions with your doctors. It sounds odd to say because generally they are such experts and we confide in them, but most doctors were taught only about the harmful effects of this in med school. Also, consider that most doctors were studious and weren't necessarily the most streetwise and so didn't learn a lot about cannabis growing up. Add in the fact that very few pharmaceutical companies are pushing cannabis based solutions. Doctors, with few exceptions, are not experts on cannabis based solutions. Many are very opposed. Don't talk about your usage or desire to use cannabis until you have felt them out a little. Maybe the old, 'I have this friend that was talking about using cannabis to treat...' would be a good approach. If you decide to try to have a frank discussion come armed with copies of research abstracts and copies of links to recent reports. Be prepared for resistance and I hate to say it, but be prepared to hear astounding ignorance stated very confidently. From their viewpoint I think they feel that they are the experts and so if they are not aware of the cannabis option, it is just some internet fluff or worse, an attempt to secure drugs from them. They may even label you a 'drug seeker'. Many patients found out the hard way here in Michigan that even though the state laws changed, the doctor or more often his/her practice or hospital, had an anti-cannabis policy. Many patients were dropped outright for admitting that they used cannabis to treat the same condition their doctor was treating. Others with doctor monitored opiate dependencies were forced into periodic pee tests and if testing positive for cannabis and/or negative for opiates, were cut off from their opiate prescriptions. Sounds insane but that was not uncommon at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Leaving an a out of the word is a joke? I don't get it..............I do remember laughing at things that weren't funny at all when I was stoned though. Yeah OK This doesn't suck. Virginia needs to follow suit but won't. http://inthecapital....t-means-for-dc/ They will. Maryland is very close to making it legal as well. Virginia won't be far behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 That is a great question and it varies tremendously by state. Some states are very easy to qualify and some very difficult. In the very difficult states it would probably turn out that 95% or so are in the program for medical reasons. In say California, I am unsure really but why let that stop me, eh? I would guess that maybe 40-50% are in it for medical purposes. In Michigan, I would say about 75-80% are legit. In Michigan, the average patient age is somewhere around 50 I believe. Many skeptics see a group of 20 somethings leaving a dispensary laughing and they think everyone is scamming. That isn't the case at all. I have met probably 100 other patients and I would say only 10-15% of the people I've met may have been shaky qualifiers. Actually, making that judgement of qualification based on the way someone looks at a moment in time is not really fair. Sick people don't really try to look sick when they are in public. They typically will try to put on their best face. The two subsets certainly intersect too. In other words, just because cannabis may help someone with cancer to maintain their appetite doesn't mean that that same patient may not indulge sometimes because they enjoy the sense of well being - the high. To flip it too, at some point the 20 something scammer comes to the realization that his knee injury may not hurt so bad after toking up with his buddies after the game. OMG, this stuff actually works! lol This Orchard Park girl whose mother has been fighting for medical marijuna (wait - I left the A out, billsfan4ever is right - that IS hilarious) in NYS just died.............The stoners in the comments are laying the death at Cuomo's feet - although I'm not clear she wasn't getting marijuana from the article (I had seen previous articles about her): http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/orchard-park/orchard-park-girl-whose-family-sought-medical-marijuana-to-treat-seizures-dies-20140718 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 This Orchard Park girl whose mother has been fighting for medical marijuna (wait - I left the A out, billsfan4ever is right - that IS hilarious) in NYS just died.............The stoners in the comments are laying the death at Cuomo's feet - although I'm not clear she wasn't getting marijuana from the article (I had seen previous articles about her): http://www.buffalone...s-dies-20140718 Those comments are such bull **** because as Security so rightly pointed out that marijuana doesn't heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I am inclined to agree with those that commented on the article. Political obstructionists to medical cannabis, especially in states where the people have made it clear it is wanted, do have blood on their hands. Most often (see Chris Christie as an example) they remain willfully ignorant so that they don't have to confront the fact that they have been terribly wrong. Their bullheadedness has cost people a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Security Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Those comments are such bull **** because as Security so rightly pointed out that marijuana doesn't heel. hahaha. So if this girl got legalized medical marijuana, she would be alive? She would be heeled? If so, this is ridiculous then. I am for medical marijuana legalized, but like I said, no reason for legalization to smoke it IMO (decriminalized). There is no effing way that we would have pot withheld if it had legitimate heeling powers. The only real one I have seen is not heeling, is to help make people hungry, and there is no way pot is the only thing that can help with that. I cannot say this girl would be alive still, or still would have died, all life taken before time is really sad. What did this girl die from? I do not know all the details. Was it from wasting away from not eating? There are other ways, she can be fed through an IV. Was pot seriously the only thing that would help? What type of medical marijuana would this 9 year old take? Would she smoke joints? Would she eat brownies? Would the THC be taken out of the stuff she would have taken? I have been educated a little by a member, would she take oils? I am inclined to agree with those that commented on the article. Political obstructionists to medical cannabis, especially in states where the people have made it clear it is wanted, do have blood on their hands. Most often (see Chris Christie as an example) they remain willfully ignorant so that they don't have to confront the fact that they have been terribly wrong. Their bullheadedness has cost people a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering. I just don't see how blood is on their hands. There is no proof pot will save people from what I have seen. It can help prolong life, perhaps for those with diseases, but I have not where it is a cure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Security, again you are very wrong. Do a little research on Dravet Syndrome or on glioma. People are uprooting their families to move to Colorado so their children can legally use this medicine. Some kids have 100 seizures in a day. With simple cannabis extract, they are down to 1 per week. Is that heeled ?? No, but with no research done on cannabinoids for so long, it damn sure is a proof of concept. Did you look at the http://www.gwpharm.com site? Glioma, or brain cancer, is being treated with cannabinoids even after every other modern treatment was exhausted... AND PEOPLE ARE SURVIVING. I have no reason to make this up. Take some time to read and watch and learn from the material out there. I found this YouTube video that was put together in April of this year. It pieces together segments from about a dozen different documentaries and talks about many recent studies on treating various diseases with medicinal cannabis. It provides a great explanation as to how cannabis can impact so many diseases. It is worth your time. You don't need to watch it all in one sitting. It is over an hour, if I recall. Security, having someone close to you with Multiple Sclerosis, it is important that you understand that cannabis is medicine. You do know that cannabis medicines were all throughout the US pharmacies in the early 1900's, right? Those people didn't know everything that we know today but they were smart enough to use something that worked rather than something that didn't. https://www.youtube....h?v=XfO_MpDm5kc Edited December 10, 2015 by Bob in Mich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Yeah OK They will. Maryland is very close to making it legal as well. Virginia won't be far behind. We will see. 25.00 fine as opposed to all the legal nonsense is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Is it in the stoner handbook to call it cannabis when discussing this as the cure to everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Security Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Security, again you are very wrong. Do a little research on Dravet Syndrome or on glioma. People are uprooting their families to move to Colorado so their children can legally use this medicine. Some kids have 100 seizures in a day. With simple cannabis extract, they are down to 1 per week. Is that heeled ?? No, but with no research done on cannabinoids for so long, it damn sure is a proof of concept. Did you look at the gwpharm.com site? Glioma, or brain cancer, is being treated with cannabinoids even after every other modern treatment was exhausted... AND PEOPLE ARE SURVIVING. I have no reason to make this up. Take some time to read and watch and learn from the material out there. I found this YouTube video that was put together in April of this year. It pieces together segments from about a dozen different documentaries and talks about many recent studies on treating various diseases with medicinal cannabis. It provides a great explanation as to how cannabis can impact so many diseases. It is worth your time. You don't need to watch it all in one sitting. It is over an hour, if I recall. Security, having someone close to you with Multiple Sclerosis, it is important that you understand that cannabis is medicine. You do know that cannabis medicines were all throughout the US pharmacies in the early 1900's, right? Those people didn't know everything that we know today but they were smart enough to use something that worked rather than something that didn't. https://www.youtube....h?v=XfO_MpDm5kc I will take a look. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Is it in the stoner handbook to call it cannabis when discussing this as the cure to everything? It is the name of the plant. Cannabis Sativa and Cannabis Indica are the two main types. When it was used as medicine in US pharmacies it was called cannabis. There are plenty of pictures on the web of bottles of cannabis tincture manufactured by Eli Lilly and several other pharma companies still in existence today. I prefer to use the term as it starts people on a different mental track than does 'marijuana'. Check out the video (just above) and you will see how it can impact so many diseases. It will be worth your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Is it in the stoner handbook to call it cannabis when discussing this as the cure to everything? Not the edition I have. My stoner handbook just says stare at boobs and eat all the chicken wings. It works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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